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Old 12/11/11, 01:59 AM
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On the alfalfa pellets, something to watch for.... My bratty goats pushed all the alfalfa pellets onto the ground to eat the grain when I mixed them in with the grain..... Plus I wasn't able to feed enough alfalfa pellets that way without overfeeding the grain portion.

So now I feed grain on the milkstand or feeders, & have a trough I pour the daily amount of alfalfa pellets in. Too much grain is a bad thing, but forage items (grass hays, alfalfa pellets/hay, browse, pasture ect.) really can't be overfed as long as new items are introduced slowly. I only feed grain to goats that are lactating, pregnant, or growing young animals.

Here is a picture of my dry doe (darker doe in pink collar, my milking gal is wearing,the yellow collar).....she maintains that condition on nothing but grass hay, about 2lbs of alfalfa pellets & good loose minerals. We have no browse or grazing because of the drought.......Also in the 1st pic you can see my black alfalfa pellet feeder in the background. I fill it about 3/4 of the way for 4 does & add a bit more in the evenings if they empty it.





The dry doe in the pics is just now getting 1/4 scoop of grain once a day because it's cold & she's (hopefully) 2 months pregnant.

Next thing, I'd definately get a hay feeder. My first "hay feeder" was a section of fence I had cut & wired to the wall....not pretty, but it stopped a lot of waste & kept the goats from stepping & pottying on it. Round bales are rarely fed here...the one in the pic was given to me & since they were able to jump on it & drop a lot on the ground, they wasted about HALF of it Next time I feed a round, I'll put it up on pallets & wrap cattle panel around it so they can't waste so much...

I would also invest in a mineral feeder..... I bought a small, two sided one at TSC for around $4. I put about a cup or so of baking soda in one side, & 3-4 cups of minerals in the other. Keep it mounted where they can't step in it & out of the weather & top off as needed. Anything....hay, feed, minerals left where they can be stepped in will be wasted by goats......They are horribly wasteful critters at times.

Here's a pic of the mineral feeder.....it's the black one....the blue feeder wa an extra I hung there for the doe who got bullied away from the other feeder so she could eat in peace.



TSC carries 40lb bags of Standlee Brand alfalfa pellets.....they are in a purple bag. I have tried every brand of alfalfa pellets I can find & like these best.. ..They smell great, virtually no dust & the girls love them.... I tried the "store brand" & at the end of the bag had about 2lbs of dust!! Was not happy about that at all. I had thought about switching to the store brand when prices went up, but the store brand went up too & comes out to a bit more per lb than the Standlee, so for me they are not only the best quality, they are the cheapest. I never buy alfalfa hay. Its hard to find good quality alfalfa in my area, the goats pick through it & eat the leaves but leave behind a wasted pile of stems.....Not to mention it's too expensive, especially considering how much they waste, so if you don't find good alfalfa hay, the pellets are a good substitute

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well i drove out to TSC, picked up that Black dish shown in that photo, it was $4.99 And its the Perfect size for what i need. i also picked up Manna pros, Goat Mineral *the kind in the orange bag* i looked all over for Alfalfa pellets, thanks for the hint on the purple bag, *they had about 5 kinds of colored bags* they only had ONE bag left of the Alfalfa pellets. and i got it, not to bad for $11.99.

Oh. and right next to it is where the goat feed is......$18.99!!! for goat chow then Noble was 13.99!!

Also...Another Question i noticed some people said they Mix in Oats or Beet pulp. i never heard of Beet pulp. but at the store i saw Bags of it...why feed this to goats?? thanks for your help everyone!!

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Old 12/11/11, 09:06 PM
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How is it your all stock is 7 dollars and its 12 dollars here?

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Old 12/11/11, 09:20 PM
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How is it your all stock is 7 dollars and its 12 dollars here?
'ROund here, 11% All Stock was $7 on sale, but now the sale price is almost $9. The price on all feeds has taken a huge jump up, and no sign of it coming down.

Add to that insult the injury that they've cut the size of the bags by 10 pounds, and it's pretty discouraging.

My goats love to have Standlee alfalfa pellets, but the price went up $2 while the bag size went down 10 pounds. We're back on MFA pellets.
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i dont know, i Questioned it myself. Since When you walk in. they have about 4 Different kinds, all are TSC brand. The one for $7:99 comes in a Black and tan Bag, with no Photo on it of any animals. all it says is "ALL-STOCK FEED" Also if you buy over 20 bags you get 5% off also, its not on sale,this is the normal price. Right next to it. is Almost like the one that you can view on there site, but this bag only has a Outline of a goat and cow on it (its a brown/purple *if i remember right*) bag, its it title says all-stock 12% sweet feed. Copper added. then on the side of this, is ALMOST the same thing, but a photo of cow,goat, and sheep....then a few bags down is Unmarked bags....(Just brown) but there Paper tag says "ALL STOCK FEED"

$7.99 (save 5% if you buy over 20 bags)
Black/tan bag of all stock feed 12% sweet feed (no copper)
50 pounds Bag is Blank, Only tan and black
(you can not view this on there site)

$10.99
(Purple/tan) 12%ALL STOCK FEED
goat and cow outline (copper added)
(i dont see this either on there website)

$10.99
tan/brown 12% all stock feed
Goat,cow,sheep (no copper)
(you can view this on there website)

the brown Bags unmarked, i didnt even Stop to look. But Nothing is on the bag but the paper tag that says "all stock feed" *this is down by the cow/cattle feed*

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Old 12/11/11, 09:58 PM
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Wow, your feed is a lot cheaper there than it is here

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Aint yall glad to have a TSC manager here to tell you the scoop on our feed.

The $8 bag of all stock is a temporary thing, purina ordered the wrong bags about 200,000 worth and as soon as it runs out its out. This variety is the same as the other all stock sweet however this one is preserved with animal fat.

Do my goats do good off an all stock with good mineral ( I use the dumor pasture mineral) yep but when Im milking I used all grain with alfalfa pellets and Boss mixed in and the all stock for the main feed. Thats unless Godfreys feed is worth the drive, love the feed hate the distance.

Little tots estates also uses an all stock with all grain on the stand just as I do, hes got quite a few goats to say the least.

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'ROund here, 11% All Stock was $7 on sale, but now the sale price is almost $9. The price on all feeds has taken a huge jump up, and no sign of it coming down.

Add to that insult the injury that they've cut the size of the bags by 10 pounds, and it's pretty discouraging.

My goats love to have Standlee alfalfa pellets, but the price went up $2 while the bag size went down 10 pounds. We're back on MFA pellets.
I feel ya on the alfalfa pellets, Pony.
Here Standlee is up to 11.99 for 40lb while the one at the co-op is 10.50 for 50lbs.
According to TSC's website, all versions of all-stock is 9.99
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oh, goat balancer is marketing, just as those stupid billy blocks are and money would better be spent on Boss or oats.

The all stock sweet feeds are not extremely heavy in molasses like some sweet feeds and is no worse to me in my way of thinking than the tree sap they love to ingest.

If your milking avoid soy products in our opinion they give the milk an woody aftertaste

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Old 12/12/11, 07:38 AM
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It's really a matter of ratios, but I still don't see how there can be such a thing as "too much" alfalfa hay for any goat, male or female.
Your right Pony. I just didn't go into specifics when feeding male goats but I guess I should have.
If male goats just eat alfafa hay & are dry lotted without any browse or grass hay or pelleted type feed then it can be too much alfafa for male goats.
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I am getting an all purpose 13% pellet at Atwoods for $6.99 for a 40lb bag, i buy that and a 12% sweet feed and mix 3 to 1. Of course hay, mineral, salt and soda available always. All stock and sweet feed at my TSC are also $9.99. They only carry one goat food and it is medicated.

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Aint yall glad to have a TSC manager here to tell you the scoop on our feed.

The $8 bag of all stock is a temporary thing, purina ordered the wrong bags about 200,000 worth and as soon as it runs out its out. This variety is the same as the other all stock sweet however this one is preserved with animal fat.

Do my goats do good off an all stock with good mineral ( I use the dumor pasture mineral) yep but when Im milking I used all grain with alfalfa pellets and Boss mixed in and the all stock for the main feed. Thats unless Godfreys feed is worth the drive, love the feed hate the distance.

Little tots estates also uses an all stock with all grain on the stand just as I do, hes got quite a few goats to say the least.
thanks for the help! and info, btw what is Boss?
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Old 12/12/11, 01:14 PM
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BOSS = Black Oil Sunflower Seed. It's added to feed for fat & vitamin E.

I used to use it, my goats love it, but the price skyrocketed way out of my price range.

Now to add extra fat I use rice bran instead. It has more fat & vitamin E than BOSS, so a little goes a long way, but it's much more affordable.

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if i may ask, why do people also tend to use Oats or Beep pulp. what does this do. to few terms for feed i have so far heard of is...

Goat chow Noble <<store bought stuff
Oats
BOSS
beet pulp
corn
all stock feed
horse feed
alfalfa pellets

any other things people add to there goats food to improve it. If so what and why

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oats are a decent combination of protein and energy. not used so much with cows anymore but goats can use them efficiently.
BOSS has good protein and also helps keep the coat glossy with the extra oils in it
Beet pulp has high digestible fiber as well as decent energy levels. a favorite of cattle showmen to keep the cows looking fat and sassy Fleet Farm is always sold out during the county fair..... Less digestive problems associated with it than corn.

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We use beet pulp. It has almost as many calories as oats, but digests like a forage. We also use the Manna Pro loose goat minerals. Can't get the Onyx stuff out here for some reason. We also feed the Manna Pro Goat Balancer.

The does get a mix of oats and pelleted horse feed along with a little beet pulp and a scoop of balancer on the milk stand.

They have grass hay, a little alfalfa hay(alfalfa hay is over 10 dollars a bale out here) and alfalfa pellets, all free choice.

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My girls love beet pulp shreds! I used it to help fatten up my milker when she was looking a bit thin this summer. When I can afford it I add it to my grain mix..... It jumped $4 a bag here though so I haven't added it in a while.

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I was feeding the Noble Goat to my doelings but its medicated and need to switch over before they start kidding as the coccidiostat isnt good for the milk. The Goat Chow from Purina is ridiculously high. I found Kent 18% milking goat at a local elevator for $11.25 a 50 lb bag... they get that and free choice grass/alfalfa hay along with minerals... I'm pretty happy with that price. I don't think the sweet feed or all stock are much good...

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i might pick up a bag of beet pulp. i have a Bag of corn open, for my pig, and i noticed the goats "like it" but i stopped since i read its not good for them. however last night and this morning i have a Major Migraine headache, and my boyfriend trying to be nice.. "fed" everyone...i smiled and said thanks..but then realized he doesn't know what to feed anyone..or how much..its the thought that counts. but i have that Headache still... lol.. goats got a nice scoop full for corn.

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I don't feed all stock, boss or alfalfa, every thing I have gets 14& creep pellets. I have free choice hay out at all times, the goats have a mineral bucket in a molassas base, plus free choice loose minerals. I feed horses, goats, and Dexter cattle, everyone is fat, healthy and doing well, so I'm not changing anything, creep feed is 14 dollars a hundred lbs, best deal around. It seems like the sweet feed is always full of trash, looks like floor sweepings, or it's too much molassas, all sticky, so I just stay with the pellets, they are clean and simple,

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