This makes my blood boil

I know. I understand the doe/cow, if the infant is taken before she gets to smell it or bathe it, generally doesn't care. I understand it makes practical sense.


I suppose my objection comes from the obvious lack of concern for the doe in any sense. If he had helped her when the kid was malpresented, perhaps shown some compassion, and not flopped the bewildered doeling around like a doll, and admitted yes, he disposed of the bucklings because of his choices for his herd management, that's one thing. This guy gives me the creeps. He takes delight in killing; that's an aberration I don't tolerate in my dog, and it shouldn't be in humans. Something ismissing upstairs there.

I saw, by accident, another vid of his where he liquors up a goat before slaughtering it. He has no respect for his animals, and it's obvious how he gets his jollies from killing them.

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Gross man. Honestly the bucklings probably got the better end of the deal. Poor doe.

My mom said if I don't have anything nice to say....

Shutting up.

I wish I knew where that man lived.

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Me too. But isn't there anything that can be done to this guy? The humane society can intervene, can't they? Especially if he is shown on video doing these horrific acts. Sounds like he has at least 2 of these videos out. I unfortunately am having all sorts of nightmareish things going through my head after reading the comments here. I will probably dream about this tonight. Sick sickhominid. I hesitate to call him human or man. OMGoodness, I am sick to my stomach now.

I would be happy to get the ball rolling in doing something to this guy, legally unfortunately. But some of us have to act like decent people. I just don't know how to begin.

That in my opinion is just evil. I understand culling, I understand growing your own food, and I understand hunting. But I don't understand this guy. I wonder if you could turn him in for animal abuse?

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If Daniel Considine could get busted for putting down hundred of newborn buck kids by hitting them in the heads with hammers, I'm pretty sure that this guy can, too.

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Im serious about trying to get this guy prosecuted for animal cruelty. I just have no idea how to go about doing it. And I DO NOT want to see the video for myself, so who do I talk to?

The doe was laboring, but the 2 babies were presented normally - can't say anything about the third that supposedly arrived but... Nothing cruel that I can see. He didn't just leave the buckling to die in the grass, btw - he said it died of 'steel poisoning' - which I assume means he slit it's throat or put a bullet in it - likely a humane end, IMO.

That he puts his bucklings down isn't necessarily evil. I've thought about doing it myself - though I'd eat them. That he puts them down doesn't mean anything other than that he truely sees the economics of the situation - putting money into a dairy buckling often isn't worth it unless it is one of those lucky 1% that is breeding quality. Sold as a pet or for backyard breeding without a pedigree, he IS statistically more likely to end up in a 'bad' home. I'd rather butcher or put down anything than sell it to most 'pet' homes. I've stated it before, most goat owners are only 'into' goats for 3-5 years - and the average goat lives 10+ years. A goat you sell is pretty likely to exchange hands or go through a sale barn at least once in it's life.

That all being said, he did rub me the wrong way because of how disrespectful he was about raising them. I know the goat doesn't know what's going on but mocking her when she is in pain just irked me.

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No the first one was malpresented, it had one hoof and a face, she was straining to get it out, which happened once he helped after mocking her. I could not tell if the second one was in the correct position of not.
It is one thing if you eat them, give them away, sell them cheap or what not, but just because we do not like the sex of a baby does not mean we waste it or treat it poorly. He stopped as soon as he saw the sex and put it down and walked back to the doe hoping for a doeling.
That doeling was too cute and I feel sorry for her.

Getting a goat "drunk" before slaughter is also disrespectful. He annoys me.

His name is David, he lives in TN, calls himself a hillbilly, is into that prep stuff and shortwave radios.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dsarti1

I refuse to watch anything else he posts as I would like to smack him.

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I'm not going to watch the video again, so I'll agree the first was mispresented. I recall seeing one hoof, true, but the other is often back a bit even in a normal presentation. Still, he assisted, and the birthing wasn't THAT bad. I know mine scream as bad or worse when I assist... The worst was two bucklings in a row with their heads back. I'll take one leg back ANY day, just no more heads turned back!

I don't think setting it in the grass was mean, either... In warm weather, the kid likely wasn't harmed by being set and left in the grass until he could deal with it. Heck, does do the same when they kid naturally outside - they go back to pushing after kid # 1 is partially dry. When I have kids born I dry them off a bit and stick them in a bin or other area until the doe is done kidding, so I can take the kids to the house or to their kid stall etc. He didn't leave the kid to die there, for goodness sakes.

But I totally agree that he shows a complete lack of true care and compassion in his animals. That he gets a goat drunk makes me mad - what could possibly be his reasoning? I'm sure he 'justifies' his actions somehow. "They are just goats", as I have heard...

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Well, if you ordered chickens from a hatchery....thats exactly what happens

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Hate to say it, but....I would forward it to PETA. They might as well be doing something worthwhile.

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He's probably a regular on HST.

After reading all these posts, I'm too frightened to look at it too.

But what's the big thing about bottle raising all the kids? We've always bottle raised our kids so they bond to us and are friendly with humans. But we love our kids, including the bucklings. Our lives are centered around our little goats!

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The guy strikes me as one of those big mouth jerks who wants to act like he's tough and uncaring in front of an audience. It's a macho thing. Focus on what he actually does, not what he says. I don't know enough about kidding to judge whether what he did was good or bad.

Is it just me, or do you talk us HST people down at every opportunity?

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Yeah, this.

I can remember probably 10 years ago when I was reading Carla Emery's book and she mentioned whacking baby boy goats in the head right after they're born and I was mortified. Now that I've had goats, and had a kidding season where 7/8 of my kids were males...I can kind of see where she's coming from. It's just not good business. Kind of like at the beginning of Charlotte's Web where the dad is going to kill the runt pig because there aren't enough teats on the sow. If you're talking farming as a way to make money to put a roof over your family's head, then sometimes tough stuff like that has to happen. I'm blessed that I didn't have to deal with it. Yes, it was a pain to lose all that milk to a bunch of bucklings/wethers, but I wasn't in a position where I HAD to kill them as infants, thankfully.

However, the guy's general attitude does stink....

No, just the HST goat forum people . . . .

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