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the adults also have somewhat pale eyelids. the vet is closed today. again, another day of waiting to fecal. I have some ivomec, what is the dosage?

1cc/50 lbs ivermectin. I've also seen some people dose at 1cc/35 lbs if they have resistance. But the normal is 1/50.

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I found this site has some smart useful information.
http://www.newrossvet.com/sheep.htm


Yes Auntkitty it will began to build up resistance. Its the worms offspring that will/could become resistant. I personally do not have a scale at my farm. I have to come close as I think they weigh. 1cc per 10lbs. But I am guessing their weight. My sheep maybe short but they are heavy.LOL I may only have to worm 2 sheep a year and that's out of 20 that I have. As a matter of fact I will be worming Jack tonite.
He has a lite worm load per my FAMACHA chart. I normally would not worm him with a lite worm load, but he is showing stress from the heat which will lead him to become a parisite paradise.

Here is another cool chart for dosing and a cool site for goat information:
http://goat-link.com/content/view/116/114/

informational slides on worming

http://www.sheepandgoat.com/PPT/dewormresist.pdf

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I would opt for Cydectin unless the vet confirms fecals show Ivomec is effective in your area.

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I think I would go a slightly different route if dealing with only a worm situation.

I really like Cydectin; but I also like Ivomec "plus". It was explained to me some time back that it is best to use Cydectin first (orally) as it would get rid of whatever is in the digestive tract; then follow that in 10 days with Ivomec Plus "injected under skin" as that would affect what was not in the digestive tract, as well as any in the heart. Doing the Cydectin first permitted the worms to be moved out of the body before more were put in. I don't remember all I read; but I do remember that, using the Ivomectin Plus first "could" overload the digestive tract and that is why the Cydectin was used first.

Worms "do" develop resistance; so if you've been using low dosages of one type of med, I suggest you use a high dosage of a different med "first"; then follow that with another in 10 days.

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I found this info on the Goat-link site, it kind of makes sense. But I dont raise goats, so only the experts on here would really know for sure.

http://goat-link.com/content/view/58/46

Never give any injectable dewormer orally for severely wormy goats as it can cause severe bleed out in the gut:
You are always advised by me to inject Ivomec and Ivomec PLUS injectable- it is made for injecting. When it is given orally it passes through the body within hours. It kills large numbers of parasites quickly and when they die they detach from the stomach lining and intestinal walls,leaving thousands of tiny holes that bleed into peritoneal cavity.
This photo:
shows what happens inside the heavily infested goat if the worms are killed off too quickly via oral application of dewormer- oral application kills too quickly and all the worms let go at once, causing internal bleeding and possible death of the goat- on heavy infested goats you should always administer your dewormer via SubQ injection as it goes into the system slower and works for a longer period of time therefore eliminating the possible (let go internal bleed-out) I am not sure where the idea of administering injectable dewormers orally came about (probably around the time everyone was giving the pour on Cydectin orally - another NONO) but folks.. it is Meant to be injected for a reason. Please.. Inject it.
Oral administration leaves the body in a matter of hours. Injecting it stays in the body for days doing the job it is intended to do.

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That would make sense. This winter I got some of my goats back from an acquaitance and the 2 week old kids were covered in lice, so I injected Ivomec with good results but, I do give ivermectin orally and it still works good here, BUT, the thought of giving Cydectin orally horrifies me - it's an petroleum based product and stinks of oil/fuel. I just can't imagine what that does to their insides. My vet said that's absolutly crazy to do.

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That is the only source that I've ever seen that says that, and the article is written by the "administrator of the website". Dunno *who* that is!

We don't know if it's an authoritative source or not, and it says the opposite of what the sites with research behind them say.

The injectible dewormers are NOT meant or designed to be injected in goats. Goats have different metabolisms than the animals the dewormers are designed for and tested on. That's what the researchers say.

The real experts who sign their names to articles say that injecting the dewormers means it stays in the body of the goat a sub-clinical levels and creates immune worms.

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Ivomec is injected for lice.

If your vet doesn't know about giving dewormers orally in goats, he's not keeping up, and he didn't read his textbook in college. You might want to get him a copy.

http://www.amazon.com/Sheep-Goat-Med.../dp/0721690521

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Why it's the Goat lady...LOL

I hear ya Alice, sheep are differant creatures too, I read alot on sheep then I come to HT for expert advice or my vet Thank goodness he raises sheep.

I just cant believe their vet is closed it's Wednesday for crying out loud.

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My vet said it's the best de wormer if used properly. You must be talking about cydectin pour on.

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I've always dosed Ivermectin injectable at 1cc. per 22 lbs.

Ditto a stronger dose.

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BTW, the horse wormer, Quest, is the same med as cydectin, and can be bought in a smaller amount and actually made for oral use. It is 1cc per 100 lbs. So 1 tube will worm several goats. Jeffers has a good price.

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Ivermec injectable is the same stuff that is in the paste. The injectable is formulated to remain sterile to be injected - but that does not mean that it can not be used orally or topically. The paste is formulated to be used orally - you can use it topically(ex. for scales) but you could NEVER inject it.

Many injectables are used orally - banamine is another one.

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Don't you have to use a LOT more Banamine orally than IV/SQ? My vet told me to start at 5 cc for my 150 pound Nubian doe.

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When worming a goat, it is important to give the correct dose and also to worm again in 10 days. For a really bad infestation, worm a third time 10 days after the last dose. This should kill anything that hatches after the earlier worming. If a goat has a really high worm burden, they can bleed internally when the worms die and let go of the stomach lining. I've never heard that giving injections of wormer prevents that.
If your goats are getting into the chicken feed, you need to find somewhere to feed the chickens that the baby goats can't get into. Chicken feed is not good for goats.