? About CAE

teyze · #81 07/10/11, 08:46 AM

The reason I asked is a friend of mine just put a buckling down, and his great Grand-dam came from my herd originally. We never had symptomatic goats that I knew of (was pretty green back then) and I wonder if it just went undetected until now. She will be sure and bottle raise any future kids from this doe.

prairiedog · #82 07/10/11, 09:41 AM

Must be pressure canned of course can look up in the ball book. Different pressure and times for different methods.

Blue Run Farm · #83 07/10/11, 11:02 AM

Teyze, given what I have found in my recent "crash course" on CAE, I would think it is pretty likely it could go undetected like that. It seems only some goats show symptoms and others may get overlooked. Arthritis, for example, many people may just chalk up to "age" or bad luck, while it could possibly be from CAE. Same with chronic mastitis, my doe had it and I only knew to look for CAE from coming on here and doing a lot of online research for things like "hard udder" and "goat mastitis." If I wasn't online and motivated to learn, I would probably not have realized what the likely culprit was and known to get her tested.

The local "goat vet" (who I do NOT use anymore after she killed one of my kids two years ago) is fond of labeling goats as "poor doers" if she doesn't know what is wrong with them. How many CAE goats have been labeled that way over the years? I don't know, but I wonder about it. Good thing my horse vet used to raise Saanens and is a much better goat vet than the so-called goat vet!

Also, what about the goats that don't show symptoms until later in life and have either died or moved on by then? It seems like you could have several generations of positives before the older ones started showing symptoms. Just my thoughts, and obviously I am one of the less experienced people on here, but it seems quite possible to me.

motdaugrnds · #84 07/10/11, 02:19 PM

Nice to see this thread has calmed a bit. It had gotten rather inflammatory. I really don't know any of you; just reading your posts showed me much was "opinions" with little solid backup. This is "not" bad as each here who feel so strongly about their opinions have probably drawn those conclusions over years of working with their herds.

The OP in this thread already had stated what is going to be done; so I don't understand why this turned into such a hot conversation. I think when one is just starting out and "wants" a real clean herd, the way she goes about getting it is ok. Her intent is a good one and actually fits with "everyone" desire in here; so we can encourage her to attain that goal without putting each other down on the way they obtained that goal.

I, personally, have admired many of you and have learned from you. You all have a different style of sharing what you have learned and that is ok with me. Callie has always posted urls that back up what she states. This is a good thing too and I have appreciated having those studies to look at. Yes, she does come across strongly; but that, too, is ok with me. I feel no need to jump down her throat for providing us with her strong opinions anymore than I feel a need to jump down anyone's else's throat for not providing us with researched backups other than their own personal experiences. (I would never invalidate someone's "experience"!)

Kudos to you Blue Run Farm for "learning" and "wanting" a clean herd. Sounds like you have a good plan and I encourage you to go for it!