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Kinder Goats
Any body have any or know somebody that does? I'm interested in them but i havent seen any around in my area.
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I used to breed Nubians with Pygmy goats - which creates a Kinder - I got out of them after the fits the Kinder goat Registry gave me over calling the cross a Kinder which I didn't register with them.
You might check on goatfinder.com |
Creamers- How does the registry for them with them work? Is it similar to MDGA where first generation is "experimental" and as you go along you reach "purebred" status? Can any crossing between a registered pygmy & a registered Nubian be registered with the Kinder registry & be dubbed a "Kinder"?
I've seen some that weren't registered, but they were good milkers (from what I was told) & did well in the Texas heat.....past that I don't know much about them...They were at a fair one year in a 4H petting booth stall & I stopped to chat with the owners who were cheese making goat fanatics. :) |
Main website:
http://www.kindergoatbreeders.com/ How to start a herd: http://www.kindergoatbreeders.com/startingherd.html |
Stacey Johnson has a few does and sells Kinder kids,
http://www.thelittleflowerfarm.com/ |
It really depends on how far you will go to get them. Check out the Kinder group on Facebook as well as the kinderbreeders site. We have some here in Missouri, but they sell out well ahead of time. Had to wait a year to get ours.
With the Kinder assoc. you get restration just like other goats, they are first year, second year, etc. After five generations they are just plain Kinders although I still hear people talk about the generations, like a sixth generation or so. I don't know about any problems with the KGBA, however, all my goats are registered with the KGBA. They have been nothing but helpful to me getting me started. We have our two does as well as a nubian that is expecting this fall from a pygmy for our own line. We also have two new bucks coming in this fall. We TOTALLY love our Kinders. Better personality than our nubian and an easier size to work with. Still get plenty of milk and less to feed. Tadpole Acres |
You have to breed up to purebred status -
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colemangirly, where did you find your Pygmy buck?? I have a friend looking for good quality Pygmys to make Kinders.
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WE HAVE THEM. We like them. Quite. Our doe was not registerable because two Kinder sires got in with the dam and it could not determined which. This bothers us little. She's of good stock either way. I like their size, I like the calm temperament and sweet disposition. Not crazy about the barrel belly, but they're not dainty svelt little things either, and those airplane ears are a trip. Every kid came out very different in color and pattern, which is unique.
Our doe is a terrific milker. She was bred last June and as a first freshner she delivered three healthy kids, without problems, multiples being not unusual for this breed. For a year she provided us with a 2.5 lbs (quart and a half) per milking (2x daily) and now that a year has passed, we're milking through since she's still averaging 2lbs per milking (near one quart, or half gallon daily give or take). The milk is beautifully rich. I'm guessing around 6%, it's remarkably like half and half. Cheese makers love it, and I just made butter from it with an old butter churn the other night. Cool! I don't know how they would be in extremely warm climates, but ours tolerates the wet about as well as any other goat with the usual care. I can't comment on the meat, or conversion rate since we haven't butchered one, but I believe the pygmy drags in a lot of meat qualities - the aim originally to be a dual purpose goat. So far I don't believe they've been affected by the 'pet goat' industry - meaning those breeders out there (and they are few) are focusing on maintaining utility rather than breeding for pets or color et al. You'll need to find a good breeder and get started with good stock. I've heard of some folks who were disappointed, but that goes with every breed I imagine. Our doe is gentle and good natured. We really haven't had any hassles our first year. We're newbies and they've been real good about taking us around the learning curve. I don't get to brag to often, so here's a couple o pics to boot!. http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3...littleherd.jpg Hannah, Nina, Verna & Otis (notice the Nubian gleaming right through on Verna's patchwork coat!) http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2...ychildren2.jpg |
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Nice little mixes-- the nubian takes a bit of the orneriness out of the pygmy in the babies, so they don't jump fences as bad, and aren't quite as mischevious. And the pygmy takes a little bit of the noise out of the nubian, so the kids don't scream as bad as nubians do. |
Just a warning - lol - if you breed and don't register with the KINDER Registry - you will get legal letters threatening to sue you if you use the name on your website or online classifieds like Craiglist - ask how I know this. . .lol!
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Wow, that Verna is a pretty one!
Very nice articles in the links Alice provided. Thanks, Alice! |
I got my buck from a lady who was down in Arkansas. I had to travel quite a way. He was the last buck she had and she was getting out of them. They are quite hard to find registered ones around here. There are a few more fewer south in Arkansas and a couple near Kansas City.
As for the not knowing the parantage, you could still register that doe. All you need are hair samples from the doe, the dam and the possible sires. There is a lab that does goat dna. A breeder up north had this problem with the bucks getting in with the does, and after the babies were born, she sent off hair samples to determine who the sire was, then she was able to register them. It costs about $40 I think, but not sure. I will be having more Kinders for sale next year. Rosina Tadpole Acres |
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What I meant from the dna testing is that if two different registered bucks covered the same resistered doe, you can test to see for sure which buck is the father with the dna testing, then you can register the kids.
I was refering to the lady who said they had a doe that was unregistered because they were unsure which buck covered the dam. However, the animals in question do have to be registered. Just trying to clear that up. Tadpole Acres |
Emily, just wondering where she got her pygmy buck as I would also like to get another to breed to the nubian for her next kidding for different blood. Did she find something registered? Where did she get it? I would be interested in another
Rosina Tadpole Acres |
Oh! Okay - makes sense! Good to know that is possible, too.
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Thanks for all the info, I read somewhere that kinders can have up to 5 births a year, Is that possible or did i miss read that?
For a hard core producer that would be great, But the other side of that is the poor doe. |
I don't think that's possible. A goat is pregnant for 5 months and there's only 12 months in a calendar year. A max of 3 births if you bred for a January birth, a June birth, and a November birth. This would make for a short life for the doe though and isn't advised.
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They don't kid 5 times a year, but they can have 5 kids at one birth, there have even been 6 several times. However 3 and 4 are more likely. But I would personally want to separate some to save mom a little, and I don't want to bottle raise any if I have to, 3 sounds better to me.
Tadpole Acres |
They come into heat throughout the year, not seasonal like other breeds. Perhaps thats what you read - not sure if it would b 5 times per year but they can be bred througout the year. And yes, they can deliver up to 5. Our breeder had one this spring that did just that!
(as for parentage - I'm afraid both bucks went to freezer camp long ago. Papers don't change her milk production a bit, and we'll only breed her for our own purposes so we're not concerned a bit. She's a nice doe. Hope her doelings are a nice. Should be. THEY have an excellent sire!). |
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