Pelvic Exam Questions

We can all be wrong. Did you witness the breeding that you are using for the counting?

I've never induced, and Yarrow is better at discussing this. I hope she logs back on this morning.

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Alice
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No, I didn't get to witness the breeding because the buck was brand new to me and wouldn't breed her with me there, so I had to leave them alone. Here are some pics of her backside fromt his morning. I really believe her May 28th due date has to be right. She doesn't look or act like she could go another 3 weeks IMO. Her tail is crusty from the creamy mucous that she has had for the last 36 hours or so. Her ligs have been loose for quite a while. She's had a udder for about 7 weeks. Her vulva has been really puffy, swollen and smooth for the last 24 hours or so.

WOW... my bad.. I thought with you mentioning days bred that you had a solid due date.. I only feel confident inducing because my does are all hand bred and only have the one possible breeding to count from...

SO.. sadly, I know you are stressed & tired...you need to wait.. Many does will short cycle and come back into heat 5 to 8 days after the first breeding. Most times they will take on that second breeding. (I'm hoping that's what happened here .. so you don't have a FULL cycle to wait).. Unless your girl spikes a fever, smells foul (yeppers, get your nose down there every day and smell -I have a doe deliver a set of triplets, but one kid was dead already.. even with that recently dead kid.. there was an off, not foul.. but off smell that morning when I bent down to just love on her!)... as long as she is up, eating drinking, not sick.. you get to wait.. from the pics, it does look like the baby/babies have dropped .. that does look like a bit of a plug. her ankles look good, no edema.... she looks closer then 3 weeks still out.. BUT.. it's so hard on FF.. once she's kidded a couple times for you, you will get to *know* what is normal for her... You don't want to induce her today and find out had your just waited a little longer you would have had live babies.. goat babies don't do really well as premies ... just a couple days more *baking* can make a world of difference...

keep a close eye on her general overall apperance.. make sure she's eating & drinking.. getting up and moving around... bright eyed.. it's about all you can safely do at this point

susie, mo ozarks

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Yea, she's been losing her plug off and on for the last 6 days. I sure hope she goes soon! Maybe tonight with the storms coming in.

Yeah, my gut says wait, too...that plug looks clean and normal, and if she's herself in every other way (except for the kidding dry-runs, lol), then you just gotta wait!

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I'm waiting, nervously, anxiously, but I'm waiting. It's storming pretty good here right now, so maybe that will push her over the edge!

Man I sure hope you have small hands. My vet told me to never, never, never, and again never go in a goat unless it was a life or death situation for mama or babies. He said it was really easy to tear the vaginal wall where it parallels the rectal wall. I've actually had a sheep a couple of years ago tear while lambing due to a badly placed hoof. She didn't make it. Not trying to scare you, just passing along what I've been told. Did you where a glove? Did you lube her up? Would you consider starting her on a round of anitbiotics?

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Yep, I wore a glove and lubed up well. The only tight spot was through her pubic bones, and then there was lots of room inside. I'm not doing any antibiotics yet, because she smells and looks fine, and is discharging her mucous plug, but I have them if I need them. Plus, I figure birth is going to flush her out pretty good. I am just keeping any eye on her and her temp for now. I saw Vicki say in a post that it is a good idea to know what a closed and open cervix feels like and to get used to it all, so you are more confident in a crisis scenario. That was part of my goal, as well as trying to determine if she needed my assistance at all. I tried what Vicki said with just four fingers in and leaving the thumb out, but I didn't think I was reaching anything, so in desparation to get some answers, the thumb went in too. She did really well after the exam though, and there wasn't a trace of blood on my glove or on her. I just wish that I had had the great info I have received in this thread to help me know what & where I was feeling before I went in!

Oops, sorry - wrong forum. I was referring to Vicki McGaugh on www.DairyGoatInfo.com forum.

Vicki is here, too...we knew exactly who you were talking about!

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My favorite doe acted like she was going into labor for 5 weeks. We went in several times to check her, because we did not go into the cervix we did not need to start an antibiotic... We only knew she was in trouble when there was a bloody mucus with a slight tinge of yellow (stressed babies).

Day 155. 2nd day of no ligs. 2nd day of not be able to feel kids moving. Maybe I should go in and check her again now?

no....just wait!

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Until she is showing more signs of labor... I don't think you are going to have much to feel...her cervix isn't going to dilate until she is in active labor.. and you'll be able to tell she is in active labor from outward signs.... as for not feeling baby movement.. once they drop down, you won't be able to feel them move much, if at all.. so they may still be very much alive & just getting ready to go.. If her ligaments are really totally gone.. not able to feel even a little bit of one on one side or the other.. then most times you'll have babies within 12 to 24 hours.... I know the waiting is very hard...

susie, mo ozarks

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