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ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 02:12 PM

Is she in labor? Graphic Pics
 
I missed our first goat birth... The red is her butt...

She seems to be having mild contractions?

The protrusion goes away when she stands up.

No goo, a little bit of blood.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/cjnenno/hfm.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/cjnenno/fdssd.jpg

She doesn't appear to be in pain.

Alice In TX/MO 05/21/11 02:14 PM

That's a prolapse. You need to get a vet there NOW.

If I'm not mistaken, it is protruding from her rectum, not her vulva.

Get expert help. IMMEDIATELY.

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 02:15 PM

that my dear appears to be a prolapse, get her to the vet as soon as you can before any more damage is done, some very experienced people can deal with this but nothing a newbie should be attempting

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 02:16 PM

Given the fact both Alice and myself probably had our hearts sink and then our stomach learch into our necks at the same time, please dont waste anymore time

mabeane 05/21/11 02:46 PM

Rectal prolapse...get help.

jill.costello 05/21/11 03:08 PM

Oh, dear...please get a VET out quick, she's in trouble.... her cervix didn't open, she's prolapsed, don't worry about what that means right now, just tell the vet that and say it's an emergency!

jill.costello 05/21/11 03:09 PM

you're in Florida- WHERE?

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 03:28 PM

North Port

If we can't get ahold of a vet??? Anything I can do?

Alice In TX/MO 05/21/11 03:32 PM

Get a vet. Drive to a vet. Call around till you find one with emergency services.

Here. These folks have an emergency number. It's in your town.

http://www.toledobladeanimalclinic.com/

Here's another one:
Angel Animal Clinic of North Port
14500 Tamiami Trl, North Port, FL 34287-2723 (941) 426-5700 ‎

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 03:41 PM

has the prolapse changed? Has she had kids or trying to have kids? They are probably not going to know a great deal about goats but its not rocket science to fix a prolapse a bum hole is a bum hole however if shes not kidded yet you could be in even more trouble.
try to keep the prolapse as clean as possible, do you have novelson (sp?) or betidine on hand?
If she has kidded which it sounds as though shes not you can clean it and lube up and push it back in GENTLY but if shes pushing its going to come right back out and that can cause even more damage. DO NOT LET IT DRY OUT! use preferably sterile lube but if you have to use what you have too, antibotics are going to be needed either way.

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 03:41 PM

if possible see if you can see how the kid is hung.

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 03:45 PM

No she has not kidded. No one around me will see a goat on the weekend! Can she hold on till Mon? Should I go into a pet emergency vet and demand to be seen?

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 03:46 PM

It's only all pooched out when she's laying down. When she stands up, it goes back inside.

KSALguy 05/21/11 03:55 PM

take her to where ever will see her, she wont last till monday, by then she will have infection and any mannor of other problems, and if she is trying to have a kid at the same time she could die,

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 03:56 PM

OK!!! FOUND A VET! Leaving now!

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 03:56 PM

No, shes not going to wait, it would be kinder to shoot her than have her suffer until monday. shes basically has a kid stuck in the birth cannal that is pushing so hard it causes her rectum to expel because there is no more room for it. Please move her into a clean area as possible to limit infection. That kids gotta come out, contact any breeder of any livestock you may know that has experience to give you a hand.
Have you checked to see if you can feel a kid?
They dont like to treat what they dont know, but at the same time you dont have anything to loose by taking her up there.

bknthesdle 05/21/11 04:07 PM

Praying real hard for this goat and her babies.

jill.costello 05/21/11 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScrumblyFarms (Post 5147238)
OK!!! FOUND A VET! Leaving now!

YES!!!!!! Thank goodness!!!!! Update us as soon as you can!! Praying all's well!! :nanner:

GeorgiaGirl 05/21/11 04:30 PM

I'm glad I opened this up and looked. I would have had no idea! Now I will know what a prolapse looks like. Thanks to all you experienced, wonderful ladies!
I hope that poor goat survives. That looks AWFUL.......................

Alice In TX/MO 05/21/11 04:30 PM

I came in from working in the garden to check for updates. HOORAY for finding a vet!

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 04:34 PM

Ive had it happen with a few species but never a goat, a skunk, horse, dogs and a snake

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 04:44 PM

So, I spoke to one of my goat girl's goat vet. He said it doesn't sound like prolapse since it comes and goes with her standing and laying down. She's still acting fine, and he equated it to hemmorhoids that pregnant women get. He said he'll take my calls all night, and there's still an emergency hospital about an hour from here who will see me, if we need to take that option. I'll be watching her all night.

Alice In TX/MO 05/21/11 04:49 PM

I am flabbergasted.

Quoted info:
A rectal prolapse is when a portion of the rectum protrudes outside the anus. It is easy to recognize. The exposed tissue is usually a bright, cherry red (at first). Eventually, the exposed tissue becomes dry and cracked, causing more irritation and straining.

If left unattended, a rectal prolapse can become a life-threatening condition and a cruel way for an animal to die, as untreated animals may prolapse their entire intestinal tract and go into shock.

Source has a picture:
http://www.sheepandgoat.com/articles...lprolapse.html

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 04:51 PM

REALLY? it comes and goes because its prolapsing every time shes squishes the insides by laying down, that is not a hemorrhoid! your poor girl

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 04:52 PM

Alice your always a few seconds ahead of me, can you believe that vet...
Can you send him pics? Ask him to find this thread? hell Ill show you goatie hemorrhoid

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 04:55 PM

Her butt is completely closed up and she has diarrhea

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 04:59 PM

honestly leave the runs to be, as matter of fact give her a supper high fiber diet so no straining has to be done.
Get her on some antibiotics and make sure you have some lube. If she was trying to kid when this happened the kids are probably already dead thus putting her at further risk

Wonderland 05/21/11 05:01 PM

That vet should be ashamed. I really hope this works out, that your vet has a change of mind or you find a different one...

I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. I have seen a dog prolapse, and it is not a pretty thing.

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 05:02 PM

OK, I'm emailing him pictures now. It'll be about an hour before he gets to them.

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 05:03 PM

She seems fine now. Everything is where it's supposed to be and she's snacking on some corn. Going to run to TCS for some more antibiotics. Thanks everyone!

jill.costello 05/21/11 05:04 PM

That vet should be shot.

Cannon_Farms 05/21/11 05:08 PM

In a weak defense of the vet, many people over tell the problems and make them sound worse than what they are thus they get the cry wolf mentality, which is a bad thing but not uncommon. I have had people call me in the middle of the night for the most in important things or those that are minor but to them the world was ending...

Alice In TX/MO 05/21/11 05:18 PM

Corn????????????????

edited to add:
A goat with diarrhea needs hay. NOT grain. Most goats don't need corn at all, especially in Florida, but that's an issue for another thread.

Your goat needs attention by a professional for a prolapsed rectum. That's the bottom line.

dm9960 05/21/11 05:35 PM

hoping all goes well. I think you should get her to that hospital. but don't know your situation.

bknthesdle 05/21/11 06:35 PM

I'm kinda shocked. I know of a guy who had a cow that "he'd been watchin his cow in labor" since 9 am that morning. She didn't progress so around 2-3 that afternoon, he finally took her to the vet cause "all she had was a small red bag". I knew immediately it was a prolapse. Vet had to push it back in and sew it up. Told the guy to watch for signs of when she goes in labor. Then the guy asked, "so how will I know she is in labor?" The vet told him to just go sell the cow before he killed her.

I can't imagine just letting my goat sit there with a baby & prolapse. If she was in labor and baby didn't come, and she quit pushing, I would be worried about not only the mom & the prolapse, but the killing the babies and ultimately the mom.

Will be praying that she & babies make it through this.

ScrumblyFarms 05/21/11 07:23 PM

The vet is on his way to see her now. He saw the pics and agreed it's prolapse. Possible c-section, pray for my little goatie!

Alice In TX/MO 05/21/11 07:26 PM

Oh, thank goodness. I was just about sick from worrying.

HOORAY for email and pictures!

Backfourty,MI. 05/21/11 07:52 PM

Let us know how she does. That looks terrible, never seen anything like it. I think I would have told my vet "that this couldn't ait & I need you to see her now".
Keeping my fingers crossed for a good outcome for this doe!

KimM 05/21/11 08:16 PM

Prayers for her and you. We'll all be on pins and needles until we hear back.

victory 05/21/11 08:36 PM

You can put sugar on the prolapse when and if it pooches out again, we did this all the time at the Vet Clinic. Makes the swelling go down. If it doesn't resolve they will need to do a purse string stitch all around, that will hold it in till it's all better..I would hate to be your doe right now!! Poor dear!
Oh, put enough sugar on it to cover it!!I hope she does okay!!


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