Torn udder update with pics
 

Okay - the tears, though the bleed, as fairly small and superficial

But this doe's udder is shot :( I am sure. It is SUCH a shame.

Here she was two weeks ago:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...a/eveudder.jpg

Here is is post horrific kidding that ended up with two dead kids. . .

and mind you, it LOOKS better, than it did when she kidded - which is scary. . .

Anyone ever see such a thing? Milk is clear, at this time no mastitis - - -
the injured areas are somewhat hard - but it is from swelling, it seems -

A MESS :( We've miked her out 3 times today.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...rissues010.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...rissues008.jpg

ALSO - Look at her poor female parts :( Those kids were stuck - two coming out at the same time - it was bad. . .

Should that go down in time? It is just hugely swollen, but like the teats, actually. . .

We clean her up pre milking . ..but there is still some gooping. . .very mildly. . .as you can see. . .
she kidded less than 48 hours ago.

I have read that you can put Prep H on her rear to help reduce the swelling.
Nancy

I'm going to try that - I am going up and back right now waiting on a doe having issues trying to kid - will do that tonight

The swelling will go down on it's own without treatment. Had a horrific kidding here about 3 weeks ago, very invasive. The dam's perineal area looked just like what you posted, Creamers. She looks fine now.

I don't know WHAT to say about her poor udder. I've never seen anything like that!

I haven't seen anything like it either, and it looked worse than that as she was kidding. . . it was VERY big the night before she kidded, but not deformed and red. . .and I'd have milk then, but I did not think it wise. . .sure wish I had now :(

I would give vitamin C. 3/4 tsp. twice a day. I make a paste of it with a little instant pudding, then drench.

Oh that poor baby, prep h, and Vit C keep her clean just keep milking and treating, she should look much better in two weeks. Of course if germs get in there she could also look much worse. (politian answer) I don't think I still have the photos of the teats I was dealing with they were also pretty gross.

Oh my. I have never seen anything like that, but maybe also try some tea tree oil on the udder. It has anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties. I use it on any injuries and they have all healed well (including a rooster a fox got too!).

A lot of times it comes as a brush on - thick, but I keep mine in a spray bottle with some water to dilute it.

Don't put tea tree oil on straight. Mix it with something. It burns if put on straight.

They have a wound spray you can use on genitals I had to use it on tito with his pens issue..muffins back end looks even worsevthan that so I am slaying that on it then using prep h switching each..it is made by mane n tail called skin and wound treatment

After I had a very hard and invasive delivery (me the human) what felt sooooo good was a pad with refriderated witch hazel on it. Also a warm comfrey compress ohhhh how good it felt and how fast I healed. I looked like your doe in the bum. A comfrey compress on the teat would most likely feel good drizzled with a littl tea tree oil to prevent infection. Preperation h as stated above is wonderful also.

This looks "topical" to me as though whoever is doing the milking had something on their hands that irritated the teats. I say this because I think you said she has no kid nursing her.

If she were mine, I would do the following immediately:

Take warm water with just a touch of Hydrogen Pyroxide in it, make sure she is tied up as she may not like this and wash her udder and teats real well. Then "thickly" cover all irritated areas with NFL (a nitrofurozone ointment .2% in a water base of polyethylene glycol). In 12 hours, wash again with real warm (soapy water this time) & using a very soft cloth. Coat again "thickly" with NFL. [This ointment will be quite soothing & healing!]

As for her vaginal area, I would use the Prep H or triple antibiotic (pushing some of this into her).

The teats actually looked much worse prior to kidding and during kidding, before milking. . .so much so. . .we were afraid to milk her. . .

Dang. (and that's not the first word I typed.)

Oh, dear. Your poor girl, and poor you! Oh, my that looks AWFUL.

I'm glad that it's better, and hope that it will continue to improve. Agree with Alice: do NOT use straight tea tree oil - the poor doe will go through the roof.

Soothing compresses, keep clean, and the teats look so danged raw... I'm thinking zinc oxide ointment for that.

Keep on keepin' on. You're seeing improvement, so that's a good thing. I'm praying for you and your goatie gal.

Oh, just saw the other suggestion about triple-biotic.

DO NOT USE THAT IN HER PERINEAL AREA. IT CAN CAUSE FUNGAL/YEAST INFECTION.

No, no, no, please no!

Triple biotic introduced into the vagina will cause a wicked yeast infection.

My hands get REALLY bad sometimes if I get birthing fluids on them, especially if I don't wash them off soon enough. Almost looks like a burn or major skin irritation maybe from the fluids or something that was used during the pulling of the kids? Lube, iodine used to clean the area or person's hands? Iodine makes me get a sunburn-like irritation. Maybe treat it like you would a burn?

I wish I had advice for you other than the Preperation H for her rear end as for her udder & teats I'd be right here like you asking for all these folks advice too. Never seen anything like that before. I sure hope she pulls through all this for you.

might be from birth fluids, then - they were like that before we pulled the kids or milked her. . .though

Here is a photo from tonight - I really think the many small cuts and gashes are why the one side IS SO messed up. . .

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...eudderday3.jpg

Well, she is looking a little better.

I am wondering if somehow her nipples got the birthing fluid on them. That could certainly cause such an irritation if left on.

Thank you so much, Pony, for letting me know about the Trip-antibiotic. I had no idea it would cause a yeast infection. (I use it for most everything and it has never failed me yet; but sure don't like the idea of there being a first time at the expense of my does.)

I'm the same way with that stuff, usually.

I am so sorry that I was so very emphatic, but oh! Can you imagine how that would be? :grit:

Maybe put some aloe on them? It does look like some kind of burn :( Poor baby and poor you! I know I'd cringe having to milk or to see it engorged if I didn't.

I am sure if birth fluids can cause such irritation, it was the fluids that did it. :(
The one side looks almost normal today, though the other side looks worse - please the cuts make it a real mess, too

Those were tears or are those sores? If sores, look up lysigin. I had issues years ago and had to use lysigin. Like cold sores on the udder.

I'm so so sorry you had this problem... And sorry the doe had to go through it as well.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...eudder3day.jpg

Now, I did use Lysigin. . .but these look like cuts/tears.

This is from tonight before milking.

There is a lot of edema on the one side. . .my fingers leave deep indentions. . .
it is just warm, not hot - milk flows easy and no clots, etc

I would say the skin has split from the swelling. Saw that once on a horse who had just been gelded - ouch!

It does look like it's improving, so keep doing what you're doing.

I think it was so swollen, you're right, it likely did burst

I would use tri care over the furazone because it has a pain killer and it also stays on better.
That being said if you are wanting to use the milk you can slather it with bag balm and try to lightly bandage it as you want to keep as much dirt out as possible.

Could her hooves done this? looking at it maybe her kicking at her babies with a large udder and her larger teats. the inside one could have been done by her laying down. My only other thought is if shes on straw, mites can also be in straw but looking at it thats a bit far fetched on this case.

Darn it, Creamers, that just looks incredibly painful...

The other side is looking much better, but that left side. wow. just wow.

I don't think I've quite seen this before. Do you think it's like stretch marks only to the nth? The teat couldn't expand?

Fascinatingly awful. Fascinatingly interesting. Again, I'm so sorry you and the doe have to go throught this. But it's certainly something curious to see.

That doe I had would have huge hot spots on her teats that I had to treat with lysigin. Stress-related, I'm told.

Did you say, is she a first-freshener?

OMG I sure would fight if I were her getting milked. Poor girl!

I hope you are only taking enough milk out to keep her udder from getting overly tight. That doe needs to dry up.

I would, also, keep that udder wrapped up with salve and a good pad so nothing else can harm it.

She is a FF.

Her hooves are very short, but her - are they considered dew claws - are rough. . .

The teats were SO huge before kidding, it really might be from the expansion and skin splitting. . .

I cover it in 100% lanolin and the burn treatment . . .the common people treatment cream . . can't think of the name - silver? ? ?

I wrap it, too

Have you given her any banamine? It helps with swelling and pain

I hadn't thought of it, actually - I believe I might do that tomorrow

It looks like the teats I see on occasion on FFs with severe edema.
Especially since you said you are leaving imprints. It generally takes a few days of milking to bring it down.
She could have split from too much edema as well. We see it in cows more than goats. Again, especially in FFs.
How much salt was in her diet before kidding? Salt intake increases edema.
I would keep milking her. Some bag balm or udder ointment on the cuts to help soothe and heal them.
You are definitely headed in the proper direction.

It is looking better. Poor girl.
Strange, around here I am not getting udders on anyone! Tiny little udders even on 2nd year does.

Silvadene - great stuff. Works wonders.


I'd keep milking her too. She's already got a lot of milk, the daily 'massages' will help her and you can massage in the creams at the same time...

Poor baby. Maybe next freshening you can keep her milked down before the babies come? It causes a big discussion, but I've had to milk several down BEFORE kidding... They were just too large.

Best of luck with her! Give her another week or two and I'll bet, setting aside the discolorations, she'll look 'normal'.

Yes! Using that and alt. with lanolin.

I would milk her before kidding if I could do it over. .. for sure!

Pics from tonight - maybe slightly better on the awful side - much better, almost normal, on the left

The blackish areas are scabs and bruising - mostly scabs



http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1.../uddereve4.jpg

Improving. ...make sure you goop on the cream on Franken-teat. And you did treat with lysigin, correct?

...looking much better, is she eating and pooping and peeing ok?

((hugs))

It'll be ok.