Doe down :( !
 

Daisy, a 4 year old ober/saanen has looked rough lately and is down. She was in with a calf that had a parasite that the vet had not seen before and she was looking worn and thin. I wormed her per the vet's instructions 3 weeks ago and she was due for a 21 day follow up worming.

My son told me that she was starting to lose hair and he was not kidding. A bunch of her hair fell out. This morning, she is down and very weak. No fever, just really weak. She's laying upright (not on her side) and is eating but won't stand up.

I just drenched her with vitamins and electrolytes and am getting BoSe this afternoon to give her a shot.

Any other recommendations?

I swear, this has been the worst month.

Is she pregnant? If so how far along is she? Milking? What kind of wormer?

Give her more zinc. That will help with hair issues. Give her some vit c too. I would put her some kid of d e or sevn dust to make sure there is no mites or anything..

What kind wormer did you use??

Also has she been copper bolused?

Have you checked her hair coat for lice?

what's her temperature? what and how much did the Vet have you use to worm her?

She was wormed with Ivermectin at double the weight dose. None of the other goats she's with have hair loss or thinness at all.

She is not pregnant or milking right now. She was to be bred when back in better condition.

I have never copper bolused my goats but give BoSe shots. I will be doing that this afternoon, if she makes it.

Should I give her grain/mollasses to boost her energy?

I drenched her with Durvet Vitamins/Electrolytes. Has: sodium, potassium, vit a, d, e, b, roboflavin, pantothenic acid, niacin, menadione, folic acid, thiamine hydrochloride, pyridoxine hydro, ascorbic acid.

I assume she doesn't need a heat lamp at 54F

so like 1 cc of Ivermectin per 25 lbs of goat Orally? Or ?

temp right around 102

She actually looks like she's been bullied or maybe bumped her eye on the wall. Separated her from the other goats, of course.

I'm not looking at the tube but there's the measurement for body weight and I did twice that.

What worm did she have? Are you sure the vet knows what they are talking about?

My guess is whatever worm she had the ivermectin is not effective for. If it's Barberpole (or I think they may call them "strongyles" (ETA, that's not right I cant remember the right word) then Moxidectin (cydectin or quest) is best.

Another problem is barberpole and liver flukes look much alike and vets will get them mised up. Liver flukes require ivermecin PLUS or Valbazen. Ivermectin won't touch them (or much of anything else in many places).

What do her eyelids look like?

I forget the exact name of the parasite but sounded like Nematode?

Yes, my gut tells me she needs wormed. you may have to do something more drastic with her. for instance warmed Lactacted ringers to keep her going. Injectable Vit B. Do you know if she is eating enough?

nematode worm, such as Haemonchus contortus, but there are other kinds too, thread worm.

Haemonchus contortus, is the Barbor pole worm.

Seeing my experience with ivermectin, I'd be worming her with Cydectin cattle pour-on at 5 ccs per hundred lbs. Have you checked the inside of her lower eyelids?? If pale, I'd be giving the Cydectin.
Instead of molasses or nutri-drench, I use Red Cell. I've found it to be more effective.
I'd also be copper bolusing her.
Forgive me if you've done some of these things, I read the first post and skimmed the rest.
Bo-Se.
Vitamin C.
Vitamin B Complex.
Warmed Lactated Ringers given over the ribs sub q.
at 50* she shouldn't need a heat lamp unless she seems to be unable to keep her heat.

I suspect now that she was bullied away from food. My fault for not noticing this :( She may have been weak from the parasites and easy to bully.

I can get a Vit B shot, I'm sure.

I have Eprinex pour-on? Should I get cydectin instead?

I agree with Emily's dosage of the Cydectin, and the rest : ) Good luck with her.

Pull the skin on her neck outwards, if it doesn't spring immediately back into place, she is dehydrated and needs subQ liquids right away. A dehydrated animal cannot heal, no matter what help she is getting.

is it the same drug? I have a bottle of cydectin handy do you want me to read the label?

Have you checked her inner lower eyelid?? Whats the colour?? Eprinex is ivomec, so I would be getting the Cydectin pour on.

Cydectin is Moxidectin containing 5 mg of moxidectin/ml

I'll run back out to check for dehydration now. She wasn't this morning. I'll also look at lower eyelids.

Would you give the vit b and c in a shot? I would have to drive a ways to get that and already drenched her with vitamins and electrolytes.

The thing about shots versus drenches is that *if* an animal is starting to shut down, a drench will not be absorbed and utilized as readily as a shot will. So if you can get the shots, they are better(its the reason I keep vitam C and Vitamin B injectable on hand at all times, its an hours drive to the vet that carries the C). The drenches are better than nothing for sure.
Same with lactated ringers for dehydration, If an animal is really sick, their body cannot utilize electrolytes given orally. But they can ringers given subQ.

Yep what she said. you should have injectable Vit B and lactated ringers on hand.

If she has barberpole, I would for sure give cydectin or quest intead. Quest is 1 cc per 100 lbs and I would mix the contents of the tube up before dosing as sometimes horse wormers aren't well distributed.

She doesn't appear to be dehydrated (skin snaps back normally). Her lower eyelids are paler than the other goats but not light pink or white.

Calling around for cydectin. Feedstores around here are terrible for carrying what I need.

She's just very weak, poor girl. However, if I offer her grain, she eats it with no problem.

Nobody around here has cydectin but I know that I can get Quest from the feed store. Should I do that instead?

Cydectin and quest are the same drug. Just different concentration and one is made for cattle, one for horses. You should be able to get quest and it will be cheaper since it's an individual horse dose.

Vets here carry Cydectin as well. And if you have any cattle friends, they might be able to sell you some. You want the pour-on and its given orally.

If I have an ill doe, I scrounge around for the best hay on the place and she gets it in front of her 24/7. And any human foods that are pretty good(fruits, greens, etc), in small amounts. Remember at this stage much grain is not a good idea, *unless* she is also eating large amounts of hays/greens.
I hate sick goats in the winter, because in the warm months I'll go out and collect the most tempting leaves and briars for a sick goat.

Pine needles are always available and my does love them, plus they are anti parasite to a degree and contain huge amounts of vitamin C.

I've never used the quest(too many goats for it to be needed), but i hear its fine. Don't underdose!

But you gotta have pines....:)

Some does like cedar, some don't.

I can only get Vit A, D and Iron in injectable form locally. Crud.

Will any of those help? I am going to run out and get the Quest.

The A D won't hurt, don't overdose. Doesn't sound like she needs iron.

It's kinda like I assume people have hills. Some places actually don't! We have about 90% pine trees :) Seems my goats like cedar certain times of the year only.

We have lots of pine/fir.

Ok, I found a supply 30 minutes away that has ringers, vit c and vit b (although vet says won't help?) and I can pick up quest too.

What dose on each?

Quest is easy, 1 cc per 100 lbs.