Here is my Horrible experience today...

I am so sorry for your awful day and the loss of your babies

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Sorry for such a terrible time! Goats usually have no problem kidding - but it's best to be prepared and you did all that you could.


I would also milk her 2x per day. My dairy doe last year had NO idea what the 'thing' was that popped out of her hiney, but she sure BONDED to me big time! She worried over me SO much that she wouldn't eat her feed unless she could see me, hehe.While I was milking she would lick my hair to keep me clean. Milking is honestly the best thing for her. I wouldn't want to add the pain and weight of an engorged udder to her sore body.

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ouch~ so sorry to hear about such a horrible day. Hopefully the next two will be easier.

ok, update, she seems fine, happy to see me, let me try to milk her, I gave her a little grain, while trying I didnt get much, even under the heat lamp, I about froze my hands. She actually didnt seem to mind, and before she wouldnt ever let me touch them. Gave her some more warm water, and forgot to take some stuff out with me, so I am gonna look through here and see what I can add to it, think I will give her some electrolytes, and then go out and try again here in just a little bit. One side I was finally able to get some colostrum out, but the other side I couldnt yet, but I didnt have her on the stand just on the ground and her udders almost touch,
Also husband weighed the babies last night and they were a little over 5 lbs each, so I was way off--sorry.
Her back end looks awful! swollen wondering if I could put anything on it.
This may sound silly but I thought about letting the dog, who is with her all the time, lick her to help heal it, and when we let him in to see her she was very nice to him, and she didnt butt him away at all.
Also, I do want to say that I did get a new baby last week from Crystal, the goat I got from wintrrwolf, so I guess in reality this wasnt my first, just the first I was present for.
Today my husband says Claires ligaments are gone, and we didnt even think she was pregnant, if she is either Chompy (pygmy) or Tito (nigerian/pygmy) is the daddy. She is a good size boer goat right at a year old. She doesnt look big, but has had some discharge for a few weeks now, and I let tito in with her thinking she might be in heat, but he wasnt intersted at all.
So I could potentially have 5 more does to kid. I am rested today, and keeping my eye on the camera and going out again every hour or so.
again any advice on anything else to give to muffin is appreciated.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING THERE FOR ME! IT MEANS A LOT!
Thanks Pony for calling me and showing the other page on fias co that I hadnt seen!

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My second kidding was a huge buckling with his giant head wedged in the pelvis.

His mom was a pygmy/kiko cross, but was only 7 months old at the time (yes, she got caught at 2 months old).

After she labored for 2 hours (I carried her to the barn, I found her laying in the field, pushing). Both my MIL and myself tried & tried to manuver & pull. He was in the right position, but was just too big.

We loaded her up in my aunt's brand new car and rushed to the after-hours vet. He managed to pull him out by the jaw (breaking it). I was shocked that both she & the kid made it. We never bred her again - I just couldn't justify it and so her and her goofy son are just hanging out. His head is still HUGE! It's easily 2X as big as my other pygmy crosses.

Like everyone else said - milking her will help her & you. Maybe some vit. b, too. I always give a bit when there is trauma of any kind.

Hugs to you.

Glad you got some colostrum. Warm up your hands when indoors and wear gloves to the barn. Put her on the milking stand and only take off your gloves just before you milk.

Hope all the other kidding goes well.

As for Pony, yeah, she's one in a million isn't she! She has helped me before too.

So glad to hear she seems to be doing good! Our doe that freshened last week, we had a terrible time getting milk out of her for the first time. We had to do a lot of massaging and squeezing.

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Was so hoping for a better out come, glad Muffin is doing well this morning. (((Hugs)))) to you all...

Oh PB, I am so sorry it ended like it did. You did a good job and you, your hubby, and the vet did everything you could. (((HUGS)))

I would milk her twice a day, it will help her heal, relieve the pain of an engorged udder, and be good for both of you.

edited to add: you can put Preperation H on her hoo-hoo to help relieve the pain and swelling.

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Wow. I am so sorry to hear about how things ended up. You have my heart felt condolences and my hopes that everything else runs smoothly for you and your does this year.

I won't offer advice because much more knowledgeable people than myself have already responded with such. I will just say my heart grieves with you.

Sorry your first kidding was so awful The rest will be good and easy!

Friends of mine had a pygmy whose babies were stuck, they cut them out as well, she said it was horrible. It was her first kidding as well. Not the positive experience anyone wants for their frist kidding. Her doe did fine and is healthy and went on the next year to have triplets.
Pygmys due to their body size and back end shape can be more prone to kidding issues then other goats.

If you decide to breed her again I suggest you flush her, and give her Bo-Se beforehand, her having 3 or 4 small babies would be better then a large pair.
Also since she had this experience with too big kids, in her last month of pregnancy give her only alfalfa pellets and hay so you do not put a lot of weight on the babies in the last month with grain, beet pulp etc.

I had fatty here that needed a C-section, none of us could get our hand inside the baby never reallly entered the canal to signal labor so she was as tight as a drum $451 later I said I would not breed her chunky butt again until she looses weight and she has not gained or lost a pound She is a Nigie and just prone to be fat I guess.

The rest will fly out and everything will be fine. I beat myself up over these things all the time, but hindsight is 20/20 and is not helpful later. You both tried your best and sadly the end result was not a good one, but you still have your doe and know what to look for in the future.

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I am so very very very sorry. Prayers that Muffin heals quickly.

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got her on the milk stand, she didnt mind at all didnt eveh try to get out (should would have in the past) I tried to milk out but her udders are sooo big, and teats are small, also with fluids still coming out some what she is wet so hard to hold onto, try the maggiedans milker but couldnt get a suction, gave her some nutri drench, some calcium/vit B paste, and put electrolytes in her water. Will go out in about 2 hours and try again and really try to dry her off good before I try. She really does want me to be with her, totally different then she was before.

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She thinks you are her baby. When my does have a wet udder, I dry my hands and the teats while I milk.

I'm so sorry you had to go through this.
Have you ever milked before? It can be hard to get the hang of. Go ahead and take a towel out there and give her a vigorous rub with it. Her nipples aren't as sensitive as your nipples, it will feel good to her and help her let down her milk.
Then, make a circle with your thumb and forefinger at the top of the teat. Push up, there should be no downward motion, just a relaxing of the up. Squeeze shut your thumb and forefinger, then press with your middle, then ring and then pinky. Then release, relax your upward pressure for a moment and begin again.
That up, one, two, three, four really does not come naturally to anyone, you have to concentrate on it at first and it feels awkward and what you want to do is pull down or squeeze all your fingers at once or go faster.
Just relax, do it slow, work on creating "muscle memory" for the right movements. The milk will come, you'll get better and faster at it, for now just relax and go slow and steady.

Milking is really the best thing you can do for her. To be engorged is very painful and you're easing that and your presence is a comfort to her.

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I wanted to tell you that both you and your husband deserve a medal for bravery. That kind of birthing experience does not happen very often. You were amazing and you saved the doe! I am impressed.

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yes I milked molly, this last fall, she is an alpine/nubian mix.. i finally got the hang of it, but she is way bigger, I will really dry her off good this time when I go out.
I guess I really need to change what I am feeding during pregnancy, another thread I guess, But for now the rest are getting hay and hay and hay, too afraid now to give them grain, but I didnt give them much???

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I'm am so very sorry y'all had to go through this. Your poor doe. This may have been your first kidding but it sounds like you and your husband handled it like pros. I can't imagine having to do what y'all did. And you saved your doe to boot. Now no matter what happens you know you will be ready for it because you started with the bad part. Hopefully the rest of your kiddings will go much smoother.
You'll be able to get your girl milked out and she will bounce back in no time. Then you will have milk and she will be happy to give it to you.
Keep looking up. It gets better from here.

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ANDI in MN
Frozen, but still kickin'

Oh my goodness, what a nightmare for all of you! I'm glad Muffin is pulling through, but oh so sorry the kids didn't make it and you, hubby and the vet had such a rough time with it. ALL four of you deserve medals, humans and goat. I can't imagine how terrifying it had to be for Muffin as well, in pain and all this going on.

I would absolutely milk her as much as you can work into your schedule, the last thing you want after what she's already been through is mastitis and or/blown teats. As others have said, she is made to make milk and that's the best thing for her. I'm sure you've already thought of this but I wouldn't breed her back to that buck again, either.

*hugs* all round as wanted/needed.

-Sonja

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