Need help
 

I have an 8 yr old boer doe and a 2 month old doeling that are both lethargic. They have no other symptoms. They are just standing with their tails hanging. They went into a stall together to just stand. The doe is not the mother of the doeling so I thought it weird that they were in a stall together.
I checked eyelids, they are all pink. No temps, but not cold. No snot or coughing. Just standing with tails hanging and lethargic.
WHAT IS THIS?????
This is the only baby we have here I sure don't want it to die. :(
Anyone have any suggestions at all. Besides calling a vet. I have no money left so a vet is out of the question.

The weather has been cold there?
They grinding their teeth at all?
Could be the onset of pnuemonia, pre-fever. I had one doe come down with something simliar. Everyone ran to eat and she just stood there. No temp the first day, had one the second day. I gave her Bio-mycin for a few days, Bounce Back in her water, also on day one gave her probios, day two shoved a baking soda ball in her mouth. She was fine after a few days, not sure if it was pnuemonia or not.

Thanks Thai. It has been pretty cold, but not today. It is wet and rainy today. I didn't notice any grinding while I was there, but they were paying more attention to what I was doing to them. OK, onset of something.... I will try what you did and see if it works. Can't hurt...

I would kinda do what Thai suggested only I would probly hold off on the antibiotic for a day or so & keep a close eye on the temp.'s, Take their temperatures each day & see if they go up, is there a normal acting goat there you could also take their temp. & see if they are all about the same?

The bounce back in their water & some probios are great ideas, also if you have any vitamin B Complex it can't hurt them && may boost them up too. Make sure they have plenty of hay & a warm spot to snuggle out of the wind if they need it.
Let us know how they do or how they act in the morning Ok?

Thanks! I made up some homemade molasses/vitamin water stuff and made sure they had plenty of hay and baking soda. Their tails are not droopy anymore, but there is no cud chewing from either of them and the little one has started grinding her teeth.
I have to make a run to town to re-stock supplies. I was trying to wait until the after holiday rush of the crazies, but looks like I'll have to go today. :(

Are they eating? I would be getting some probiotics into them as quickly as possible if they will eat. Bloat looks like that too, because they feel ill.

Banamine for pain :( I sure hope they get better fast!

:confused::Bawling:I just don't know what's wrong with them! They were fine yesterday. What the heck could have hit them this fast without any symptoms?? I'm frustrated and ticked off.
The only thing I haven't given them so far is the antibiotics. I guess I'll start that. :shrug:

These are the times that we wish they could talk to us :( .

Took temps again just now. Still normal. Eating hay, drinking water, have baking soda, gave yogurt, gave my own version of bounce back, idk what else to do. I don't want to give antibiotics unless there is a good reason. sigh...but idk if there is or not.
The older doe no longer has her tail tucked between her legs though, but the baby still does. She looks like she is hunched up. :(
Maybe they will be better by chore time tonight.

I did not give the antibiotic to mine till she got a fever. I dislike overusing it.

If you do not have banamine you can give kid's tylenol to the little one. I do for my boys when I band them.

What is their temp? The exact number if you remember it.
Do they have any mucus coming out of their nose?
Runny poop, normal or have they not gone at all?
Up to date on CD&T?

If you are feeling adventureous you can try to steal cud from a healthy doe and give it to them. It is not an easy process and be careful of those back teeth!

Since you have no idea what is going on with them if they are not acting better by chore time tonight I guess I would start antibiotics.

Are you feeding them any grain?

You said the two month old was the only baby, maybe she is getting too cold since she doesn't have any other babies to snuggle with.

I would think that if it was two days ago. That's when it was really, really cold here. Now it is just damp and drizzly, but much warmer.

They get a bit of grain in the mornings but not a lot. They get mostly hay. They are boers so I don't treat them the way I do my spoiled rotten milkers.

One was 102.7(baby) and the other was 102.8 (old doe).
No, none at all.
Definitely normal little goat berries. You don't want to know how I found out.....
yep, UTD
NO WAY!! Tried that before and never accomplished it. Mainly because I chased the stupid goats around for two hours and never caught one. sigh... Meat goats are crazy.......

the bad thing on pneumonia is that sometimes by the time they are running a fever they need a stronger more expensive antibiotic. tylan will stop the full onset but not typically treat a full blown case. Since it can be tricky I would dose them, id rather use an antibiotic that to lose one because I didnt. The otc stuff isnt really the strongest or the best but sometimes its enough, and even if its not pneumonia it may keep a secondary problem from taking over.
Can you get a stethoscope? it can be hard to hear but you should be able to hear some rattle.
As far as the little one, shes just old enough to get a worm load but prime age for coccidia problems and that very well shouldnt be ruled out with either of them

Since the baby goat was grinding teeth that means pain. I would lean more towards stomach issues. Or does pnemonia cause pain? I would think sick feeling or off but not pain. IDK. Could they have gotten into anything?

Cobalt (vit b12) deficiency can cause that. Do you have some yeast? It won't hurt to give them some just to see if they improve. If they do, you can keep giving the yeast till you get some cobalt for them. I just put it in the drinking water.

http://lindercroft2.blogspot.com/201...-in-goats.html

Cobalt is a mineral. B 12 is a vitamin. Give them Multiple B shots, too.

I'd shove a wad of baking soda down the kid's throat.

Cobalt is the mineral needed by the goats to make vitamin B12. A deficiency in the mineral will cause a deficiency in the vitamin.

Did that this morning...

ok, now that we are back in from evening chores I thought I'd update.
So far now the older looks like she is coming back to normal. Her tail was back up and she wasn't separated from the group. She was eating hay when we left. The little one is hanging out with her mama again. (she wasn't this morning) She was eating hay and her tail was up too. She looked better but not great. The older doe seems to be bouncing back better than the little one.
I still don't know what is going on with them but I guess if I keep throwing remedies at them something will work. lol
Thanks everyone for all your advice. If they are still around in the morning I think they will be ok.
They may just be ole nasty boers, but I love them anyway. :gaptooth:

No, cobalt is B12.

I was surprised when I looked it up-

It may ALSO be a mineral.
I sure thought it was.

If they're eating and cudding that is Very Good Indeed.

I am no expert, but cold can shut their rumens down I learned the hard way.

If they are NOT eating and cudding you need to work triple time to get them eating and cudding again, but I have no real expert advice at all.

If their rumens aren't working they need B1 and B12 especially, the former to prevent goat polio and the latter to help the rumens start working again.

If they aren't eating or stop eating you also need to get something in them to prevent ketosis.

But it sounds like they are eating, which is Very Good.



Bless up.

Also, it is always a good time to review your parasite control program.

I was surprised to learn exactly how much kids need to be treated for coccidiosis, for example.

I've been reading 3 weeks, 6 weeks, and 9 weeks of age to start, with five days of treatment per course.

OH MY!

I plan to do that this year though.

Coccidiosis is a real problem here.

Bless up.

Yep they are eating but we still have yet to see them chew their cud.
They have been given B12 too. I don't think I said that yet. Anyway, we will see tomorrow. I sure hope I don't lose either one of them, but especially the little one.

Not exactly:
Vitamin B12, vitamin B12 or vitamin B-12, also called cobalamin, is a water soluble vitamin with a key role in the normal functioning of the brain and nervous system, and for the formation of blood. Source: Wikipedia

Cobalt is required for the body to form B 12, but cobalt and cobalamin are not the same thing.

From http://www.living-foods.com/articles/b12issue.html

"As long as gut bacteria have cobalt and certain other nutrients, they produce vitamin B12."

Thank-you for clarifying.

That makes more sense.

Bless up!

How are your girls doing?

They are doing GREAT!! Idk what happened to them, but they are just fine now. Like nothing ever happened. The little one is running, jumping and annoying all the old ones. LOL
Everything is back to normal. :)

Maybe they just had an upset stomach
If it's been cold,, maybe they need a little more food to help keep them warm

Glad to hear they are OK now

YEAH! Love those happy endings.

MORE food??? HA! I don't think so. LOL They may not get the expensive stuff like the milkers but they get a lot of what they do get. They are all fat and sassy out there. :D
They didn't get sick til the warmer weather though. Not during the cold spell we had. I really don't know what caused it. But since they hang out together it could have been something they ate in the pasture.

So Glad your girls are acting like there selves again. Very frustrating & scarey too when one of our goats are not acting right & so hard sometimes to pin point the exact problem.