I have a sick doe, due roughly Christmas, maybe sooner.

Sounds like they are recovering slowly but surely! On the upside by the time all of this is done you should have a good supply of everything you need for them next time. You are doing a great job by the way.

Eating is a good sign. I would try to get as much alfalfa pellets in them as possible. It's higher in calcium than grass hay and I think the higher protein level of alfalfa produces them more heat just like higher nitrogen (protein) makes a compost pile hotter.

They are going to need as much calcium as they can get to help with kidding and for milk production afterward.

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"I'm not sure that man needs the help." Calvin

Seriously.

Both does are 103.6 f.

Sammy groans are more "I don't like this" rather than "I'm so utterly miserable."

And she's nibbling at hay!!!!!

She drank between a quart and a half gallon of warm water.
I'll think to keep track next time.

Yah is Great!
Thank-you God.

Thank-you so much everyone.

I think the B12- I read that B12 is needed to get the rumen back in action and the ProBios.

And taking their temperatures made my daughter, 11, and I feel a lot better.
We were almost sure they'd be low.

It would be nice to have their temps before to compare.

Soooooo...

I am going to give them propylene glycol tonight-
Did this all just start yesterday?

Two more days of propylene glycol.

I'll give them more vitamin B and ProBios tonight?

I found the regular injectable goat dose and ground tablets of people B1 and B12 into their ProBios.

I need a break right now.
Between last night and today I have driven well over a hundred miles and even made dinner.

I have no idea how I did it.


And I am sure both of these does would be dead if I hadn't come here and asked for help.


I couldn't thank-you all enough.


Bless up!

When you buy hay you buy soil, or some such.

I try to feed the best quality hay I can find.
The alfalfa is so dry by the time it gets here it just shatters, and if it weren't it would all mold.
Usually it's clean, but lately it's been dirty.

The ladies have alfalfa pellets in there too.

I bought a bag of- Nutrina maybe?- 40#- smells fabulous-

I bought Calf Manna too, but that would be a bit much right now.

Thank-you.

Thank-you.

That made me tear up all over again.

First was when Sammy was eating hay.

Ahhhh.

Thank-you.

I know she's not better yet, but I feel like I get to breathe for an hour.

I forgot-

Their vulvas are swollen and irritated looking.

Note to self:

Next time slather backside with something thick and protective.

Bless up!

I'm so glad there is improvement. Maybe they almost had frost bite on the vulvas. Anyway the nutridrench has propylene glycol plus other things and may be better than the straight propylene glycol. I'm not sure about how long to continue the glycol and if 6 oz. at a time is good to keep up. If Vicki suggested that then that's good. I would suggest doing a search at Dairygoatinfo on propylene glycol, acidosis, toxemia, hypocalcemia, proper temperature and I would continue monitoring temperature and be on guard for pneumonia. Be leary if it goes to 104. The stress of all of this can bring on pneumonia. I hope you can get some Bo Se.
Keep up the good work.

Many of the goat pros don't feed sweet feeds, a thread above mentioned sweet feeds, so be cautious on the Nutrina, sweet feeds acidify the rumen. So I only feed what is recommended by those cautious about all the sugar in their goats diet, whole oats or dry COB in winter, some calf manna might be good, free choice alfalfa pellets, hay, sunflower seeds.

Goat normal temperature is 102 degrees so 103.6 is getting high. Possibly they are too hot with too many coats heating lamp since both have identical temperatures. Is the one doe still shaking? Have Biomycin ready. Try to get Biomycin, not LA 200, it stings. It is a must for an emergency kit. 3.5 cc per 100 lb., use a 22 gauge needle. Give for 10 days. Sorry been there done that, learned to cover bases.

This is good news. Good job!

I forgot to mention this but be careful of those heat lamps. Once the girls start feeling better they are probably going to be looking for some mischief to do.

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"I'm not sure that man needs the help." Calvin

Temperature = 102.5 - 104 - This varies depending on the temperature of the goat's surroundings.

Source: fiascofarm.com

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Being in AK they've all had heat lamp experience.

They aren't mischief quality better yet!

Star was chewing cud and nibbled hay, Sammy got up on her own to look at the water, but she wasn't thirsty.
I changed out the frosty water for warm, gave them each homeopathic arsenicum again for the diarrhea, told them I loved them, and called it good.

That was 3:30 am here.

I should give them ProBios too, but as much as they fought the propylene glycol earlier, I thought to let them stay calm instead, so they'd go right back to resting.

They got propylene glycol at 11ish last night, and fresh water again at midnight before I went to bed.

Star jumped up and ran around trying to avoid the propylene glycol.


I had something funny to say to her about the whole "Wait until your goat swallows each mouthful before giving more" but I forgot what it was.

Something like "Wait until goat violently sprays each mouthful all over everything before giving more."

I was so impressed.

Sammy fought it pretty hard too.

I'm sure that's why she got up on her own this time.

"I don't need no stinkin' medicine you crazy lady. Get some cats!"
Nah- Sammy doesn't talk like that.

I better get back to bed.


Even my non-goat-owning boys have been peeking in on them for me.

I have five does total and they're all due soon, so even though I think Sammy and Star can probably make it six hours now without me looking at them, the other ladies need checking. Not that I could leave them that long anyway.

I'll look at the list of medications in this thread in the morning.

There was something else too-
I'll remember when I get some more sleep.

I'm waking up with a tired headache now, but it goes away pretty quickly.




I think their backsides were burned by the calcium.
I don't think they got frostbite.

It's pretty warm with the heatlamps.

Goodnight again.

Thank-you.

Yes- I had read 101.5- 103.5 F, I think on the Boer goat page, so I wasn't worried about 103.6.

My dd 11 and I were thrilled it wasn't low.

Thank-you.

They didn't poo while I was in there, so I didn't notice if they still have diarrhea.
Sammy peed when she stood up, and I think she was chewing a cud when I went in, but if she was she stopped.

She was still eyeballing me when I left, didn't see her eat, but Star was back into her hay.

I forgot to check the alfalfa pellets.
They had spilled them into the hay earlier, but I should have refilled their bowls.
(It's in mixing bowls so they can eat them lying down if they like and can pull the bowl over or share without bumping their faces).

Okay- headaches back, lol.

Goodnight.

Oh, and still no more groaning!

Yay!

Sammy had been groaning pretty miserably for - a day?

I don't know anymore.

This is all going in the goat notebook.

Goodnight!

Calcium carbonate doesn't burn. It's the same stuff as lawn lime or I think Tums. Calcium hydroxide or calcium oxide will burn flesh but those aren't found in hay.

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"I'm not sure that man needs the help." Calvin

No- from the calcium drench- It's a bit caustic.

I get a little in my mouth and I want to rattle my horns and spew spit too.

Urg.

Okay-

Sammy is snuffly and moaning a bit again this morning, but when I tried to take her temp she ran around like maniac goat and I had to have my husband come hold her for me.

ProBios and B vitamins this morning.

I'm warming up 8cc of DuraPen for Sammy for the snuffles-

Off to try to research that.

Sounds like they are definitely getting better if they are fighting treatment. They will probably give you the stink eye for awhile.

Oh my goodness, when I walked in this morning Sammy gave me the hardest slitted stink-eye; she was laying down and I thought it was death eye-

HAH until I got to her and she came to life!

She perked right up when the thermometer came out.


She's nibbling hay.

OH I can get a BAG of alfalfa-

To get alfalfa that I KNOW will be clean and not too shattered is ~$50 for an eighty pound bale- the good pellets are ~$18 for a forty pound bag, so they're getting the pellets.

But I can get a bag of alfalfa I think-
She may eat that.

She is dripping mucous from her vulva, and her bag is bigger.

DEEP breaths.




Organizing my brain for this town trip.

Maybe I'll actually put on something I haven't crawled all over sick goats in for a change.



LOVE!