buck, emergency?

I'm sorry

So sorry for your loss You did everything you could. so sad

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my vet says it's resistance. I got a pair of alpacas. In retrospect I would like to go back and hit myself with a 2x4 when I started thinking about taking them. one of them died of a slow growing bowel obstruction (symptomatic diagnosis) the other is still here, lonely and miserable.

I need to clean two pastures. the vet recommended fire or lime. I can't do fire, she can't tell me how much lime. I bought some movable fencing that requires extensive labor to become goat proof. I got enough set p for the two bucks, and I wormed them. One is now dead. The other was wormed with 10cc valbazen wednesday night and seems just fine.

I need to worm the does. I am now afraid to. two are thin. one is pregnant and I am planning to use cydectin until after she kids - she is not thin, but she has about 78 days to go.

After they are wormed they will be kept in the barn (which I am cleaning down to the dirt floor and bleaching) or in the movable fencing on ground that has not had alpacas or goats until they can go back on the pasture.

How do I worm my does without killing them?

You are in Ohio, correct? The winter should take care of the pastures.

I found a horse deworming article that says (near the bottom) that liming pastures has no basis in proof.

Here it is. http://www.horsescanbefun.com/Inform...%20Control.pdf

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Noone can come up with a solution to your questions without more information. As far as worming the goats, you'll want to use a microdose to start and kill them off gradually over the next 30 days. Ideally they should be in an area you can clean up & manage the droppings.

Let your boy rest in this thread.

Start a new thread regarding worms, you will get a larger audience & give the following information:

How many goats
How much acreage
Can you rotate pastures
can you lock them up for 60 days or more (to micromanage the disposed wormes?)
Can you keep them off selected pastures for 60 days or more?

Worm type; HC is likely

your typical weather in all seasons; Do you get a hard freeze? Wet pastures? Deer visiting?

Doseages & wormers used, methods of administration



Fecal results on other herd members, either all or selected few
Do you have a microscope?
Eyelid colors, health of their coat, body condition for each goat.
If you've contacted other local breeders what they use & works for them for a reference starting point.

The worms are probably incisted right now with the weather, you'll probably need to inject the wormer at this time of year. This answer depends on the answer to your typical weather question above.

Added: for reference, here is an explanation of worms & their cycle. There are also other references on this site also but this one iis pertinent to this thread:

http://www.goatbiology.com/animations/haem.html

HF

I am sorry. He passed knowing you were caring for him. Please do start a new thread so we can all concentrate on the rest of your herd and getting them through this rough patch of worm issues. -Jill

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I'm so sorry.

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I know this sounds gruesome, but please open him up to see what was happening inside.

Huggs,
Alice

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Alice, I can't -
i don't have appropriate tools, I already buried him, I don't think I'd understand what I was seeing, and I'm a vegetarian - I can do all kinds of needful stuff to live animals, but even putting hamburger into a pan for my family nearly makes me throw up.

As a life long vegetarian I completely understand, I hate touching anything dead. I buried the first one that died here and then a few hours later my goat mentor came by and insisted we dig her up so she could take her to the vet college for an autopsy.

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could you guys maybe help in the new wormer thread I started?

I'm sorry to be so needy, but these girls do need to be wormed and I really would appreciate anything that helps me not screw up again.

I don't think you screwed up You really don't know what happened..it's just a guess that the worm load was the culprit. There could be something else going on since the other one that got the wormer is doing fine. A lot of people are busy on Saturday so it might take a bit for a response on the other thread....but it will come. Hang in there. I don't have experience with this so I'm no help. But I really don't think you screwed up so take it easy on yourself.

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I do understand not being able to cope with a necropsy. It's NOT an easy thing to do.

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rootsandwings, I think that buck was quite fortunate to have a "screw-up" like you tending to him during the last hours of his life. (People should be so fortunate.)

So, do not beat yourself up. It is ok to make mistakes; and your tender loving care of your buck certainly more than makes up for anything you may have mistakenly done.

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I just read this thread and have tears in my eyes... I am sorry for your loss..... you did everything you could to help him... and he was blessed to have someone like you to care for him so much....

Can you keep your other buck and the alpaca together? I always have and there have been no problems...they became fast friends . I'm hoping with the cold nights we've had here in Ohio that worm problems will be gone for awhile!

I know I already offered my condolences, but I really am sorry for your loss. We lost our ND buck last winter I know how much it hurts. We've lost several livestock since then and it just doesn't get any easier

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I just found this thread. I'm so sorry. Please don't beat yourself up. You are learning, we all are.

jill, he hates the goats. the alpaca that died and the buck that died were best friends - I sort of wonder if the buck went down so fast because he was depressed, because he was still looking for "his" alpaca. but after the other alpaca died, the remaining one started keeping to himself and spitting and kicking at the bucks (he's a gelding). want another alpaca?

I am so sorry for your loss!