Skinny Nubian Doe

You can tell if a goat is dehydrating by pulling its skin out from its body and watching to see how quickly it returns to the body. The skin of a dehydrated goat is not that flexible.

C.M.P.K. is a balanced oral mineral supplement in a tube (calcium 54 grams, phosphorous 8.2 grams & magnesium 1.48 grams in each 12.5 oz tube). Can give 1 large glob then wait 12 hrs and give another. I always follow this with Probios Paste and the usual grain that goat would have received that day. My goats have never had problems with this burning their throats or refusing to eat afterwards.

I do think you might want to treat for a coccidia infection too; however, it is the "rumen" I would be most concerned about.

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With the temp, I agree you might need to treat for cocci. However, since she isn't just thin but also has a fever, I would strongly suggest the you take a fecal sample to your vet so you can have a better idea of what you are fighting in case its not cocci.

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The CMPK I've seen is a liquid in a bottle, and yes, it does scald the throat.

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Alice you can get it in a tube, though I have not used it I do have it on hand because its easier to give goop than inject for me

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Oh My! This is someone else's goat. She got her last year with another doe. The other doe looks ok. Also a wether is on the property and he looks ok. There is one other doe that just went to another farm to be bred. There is only so much I can say here and do as it is not my goat BUT-if she makes it and lives I would take her. Such a sweet little girl.

Anyway-She has had 2 wormer treatments since Monday. Although I gave her the Ivomectrin by injection -not orally. Should I redo this and do orally? I think I should.

Lady gave her some Valbazen on Monday. Not measured just a glob that she got from another lady that had recently sold her another goat.

I gave her Copper Bolus on Wednesday.
I gave her a shot of Ivomectin on Wednesday.
Took her temp. @ 106.6

I gave her Banamine today.
No Probios paste but gave yogurt-almost a 1/2 cup worth in her.

What do I need in an antibiotic? I have LA-200 here. WIll that work? And if so, how much.

I wish my isolation area was fenced in so I could bring her home and treat her and watch her.Like I told my DH to leave her there she may just get sick again after all of this treatment. I will try and take pics of her tomorrow and post. I will also check her skin. I know she must have a copper deficiency as her hair is so dry and brittle and is red and red/blond on the ends.

Can a goat get a type of "wasting " disease? I saw a pic of a cow not too long ago with that and the poor thing looked horrible.

I have a very serious question here. It has never come up in my herd but-if a goat is just not looking like it is going to make it-or is suffering from an injury or whatever-what is an acceptable method to deal with it and not let an animal suffer.? Is there something that I can get from a vet that can handle things in that situation?

Thanks to all who are helping. I have never had to deal with this type of thing in my herd. And I know that my time may be coming but I hope not.

I do NOT think you should be considering buying this goat.

There is a great deal of confusion about treatment. Dosages of dewormer are not given by globs. Under dosing causes problems.

The doe may have a damaged gut due to coccidia and worms and be unable to absorb nutrients from her food.

Why are you considering bringing home a sick goat?

To put down a goat, you shoot it. See the butchering a goat thread up in the stickies at the top of this forum

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Not considering on buying her. Lady said I could have her. Treatment would be easier on my property as to access AND in watching her closer. NOT that I want to bring anything home to the goats that I have. SOOO-I am just plannig on going to their property everyday to treat and check on her. Also did up a tray/pan that I have put in a clorox mix for my boots just in case. Certainly not trusting the situation.

If she ever got to looking better and had a clean bill of health and I FELT comfortable in bringing her home then I would consider it. But then I think I would still follow my own rulings in that the animals would be in quarantine for aperiod of time. I have a quarantine area seperate from all animals that even the ground could be treated if need be. But I feel that in this case I would not want to use that particular quarantine area. I felt that maybe we needed a totally seperate area set up. But is a moot point until she is well enough to even consider bring her home.

I thought maybe -other than shooting-that there was a medication that could be gotten for the animal.

The vets won't let you take that med home. They have to administer it.

There are nasty folks out there who would put down granpa instead of the goat.

On the 'wasting disease' question.... Johnes Disease.

Here's a link: http://ohioline.osu.edu/vme-fact/0003.html

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Yes I would re-give the Ivermectin wormer orally, also I would have the lady give it orally again in 10 days & again in 10 days.
The coccidiosis treatment would be a good idea too if you tell the lady & she does it. And I would giver her the yogurt.

Is her temp down or still up there?

Your doing a good thing helping your friend with this goat & it can be very over whelming getting so many opinions on what to do.

Checked goats this pm early. Gave doe a dose of Ivermectin Plus and Banimine and Red Cell. Took Temp. It was at 104.6. It has come down a little. She is moving around ok still and still eating. Gave the other goat same medication. She was jsut bought by the oldest boy -around age 11-for next yrs. 4-H project so I would really hate to see her go down.

No medicated feed around at all. Goat feed is a mix of grains. May even be the same feed for the sheep. DH has been chasing a goat and a sheep that has gotten out of their fencing for the last 2 hrs. I just told him by cell to come home-he can do no more. They are away on a short trip from the farm and I cannot get ahold of them and they have no idea the animals have gotten out. I left them a message as we hate to be running around on their property with no one home. Anyway--

TO the goat issue: She is still standing. She is still eating grass. Her temp is down.

Have looked for everything and anything that everyone has suggested and very very little is available in Rural KIng and in TSC. Soo will have to order by mail.

Started today with a little all purpose mineral.

What symptoms of illness are you seeing now? Just being thin? The temp is only slightly elevated, and if it's hot where you are, that's not reeeaaalllyyy too bad.

How much grain is she getting?

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Although skin turgor, or skin elasticity, is a great way to check for dehydration in some animals (dogs, cats, rabbits even humans - on the back of our hand) it isn't the best way to check in goats because the connections under their skin are a lot tighter. Judging hydration with skin elasticity works best with creatures who have a rather loose hide.

Your tsc should carry noble goat, its medicated the sheep and goat is as well. All the goat feeds but the dumor sweet have AC in them as well.
Corid is available as well in powder and liquid form, if your tsc doesnt have it let me know the store number or location and Ill have some sent to you first thing in the morning. If there is anything on the website that you need to keep from paying shipping let me know and ill send it from my store, thats one thing I have fought tooth and nail with our corporate office is to keep goat stuff and add a few new.
Range blocks are my favorite for those that are in great need of good minerals, I use pasture minerals for myself for goats and cows.

Johnes comes to mind to me as well, I would have her tested, that can wipe out your whole herd and your throwing money into a goat that is going to have to be put down regardless.

Pictures would be a big help too, as whats skinny to you may be an average dairy goat to us

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Yes,
I soo wish someone here as well as everywhere else would carry supplies for goats. It is really like goats do not count. If you do not have a dairy cow or cattle first or a horse your animals is not worth anything.

Nothing at our stores. Nothing that has been mentioned that is not also carried for horses first and coews second. It is also very difficult to get anything for hogs. We are told-"sorry-or-oh well."

I can get a bag of All Purpose Mineral and one that is also ALL Purpose but idoes have some copper in it. There also is a solid small block for goats. My goats just laugh at that one and will not touch it. My goats do well in eating the All Purpose loose mineral. Is not my choice but it is what we have her. I have checked the feed stores/mills. We do have three within the county. There is nothing for goats except for their mixed feed products.

I am ready to open a goat store

Her skin as of yesterday when I was there : pulled upwards on skib on her rib cage-let go-and it returned quickly.
Did the same on her front shoulder and her tail area. I took camera to take pics and forgot as the sheep was out and running around. After I tried to catch it and was unsuccessful at it I gave up and came home. I am going back today and will try and do pics.

I am giving her a little grain. It looks to be some cracked corn, oats and ? It is not my mix. But I am taking over some alfalfa pellets.

What tsc are you at? we carry noble goat company wide and your tsc manager can put it on his feed order. other than the feed look on the website, send me the sku numbers of what you need and ill send it to you, we cant ship feed.
Check out the range blocks, I have not seen a goat yet that wont go nuts over them and my goats are beyond picky
Im a manager for tsc so im kinda suprised your having so much trouble with goat things as even the rest of the stores carry most of the stuff.
COB is the foundation for most goat feed or livestock feed period, corn oats and barley

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I got some Probios and Corid today for the goat. No B Complex. No Pasture Minerals. No BoSe. Was told Range Block was for Cattle soo?

Took over food and Alfalfa Pellets plus some loose mineral and I let all 3 goats eat it.

Temp is the same at 104.5-104.6.

She is eating the grass and walking around ok. Tried to take pics and my battery was just not strong enough. She still looks the same but I would think that she would until the wormer worked and the rumen got righted and the weight went on.

everything you just bought was for cattle. Looking at the list of ingredents I can no longer reccomend the range block they have changed things, but heres what I use for the most part,
http://www.tractorsupply.com/livesto...0-lbs--2228311
Your tsc manager can order that and dose not have to place a salt order to get it as it comes from the DC so let them know.

You can order BOSE from Valley vet or jeffers I cant remember which. The only two things I use in goat medicine that I cant get offline is Banamine and Nuflor everything else you can get just about anywhere.

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Most cow vets carry CMPK, if you're still looking for that. I got a couple good sized bottles for around $6 each. No script needed.

Got the BoSe and Banamine (get the NuFlor - it's generic, works the same, and is significantly less expensive) from the vet, too.

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