very sick goat-Need help Asap!

What happened to your male goat? Did he survive? What were the symptoms?

What state are you in?

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No vet involved. Often times in our area the goat owners are just as helpful. I live in Tennessee and all goats that had the sickness this summer died. None had the bleeding Rosie did and all had diareah and Rosie does not. I don't think they gave Dex but pretty much everything else including the fact that they were all recently wormed.

Did they all get stiff front legs?

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I am not sure about the neighbors. My male lost the use of his front legs but Rosies aren't stiff. They are limp,lifeless. They don't move at all and one just dangle with no relfex at all.

Maybe someone can chime in who has some experience with deer worm. I believe that sometimes it attacks the front legs first.

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http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/ar...ngealworm.html

This is a reasonable diagnosis considering the abortion possibility and all. The only thing is that it affected her front legs first. I hope we are learning something from all this. I sure would hate for no good to come from this

I'm pretty sure I've read posts that confirmed it CAN affect the front legs first. You might want to do a search of this site for the threads. The search "button" is at the top of this page.

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Nothing the people have suggested here make any sense about this doe's symptoms- it just does not sound to me like any of it.

The pale gums are shock from bleeding. There is some sort of injury or something up in there and I can't seem to make sense of what is going on. With the exception that it sounds like she is circling the drain at this point.

If she has not passed over by nightfall, please consider letting her go.

BTW> Jay27, where did you get that wormer is poison? The vast, and I mean VAST, majority of goat owners in the US routinely worm their goats during pregnancy with no problems whatsoever! Again, if you want the straight 'poop' so to speak, get in touch with Dr. Sharon Patton at UT in Knoxville, TN spatton@utk.edu - she is a past Pres. of the American Parasitologists Society.

My husband was gonna put her down this afternoon , but he got her propped up and receiving water again. He decided to try the ivomec but we are having a heck of a time getting it due to the ice storm. Depending on her progress in the next few hours I'm sure he will put her down by morning.
If we get the worms under control and she does still have a kid inside of her due to inability to pass it from paralysis, is there any cases where the goat goes on to deliver because I can't get to any lute at this point in the storm.

I'm not sure whats going on with this doe. Maybe there are 2 different things happening causing confusion.

If this has happened in other farms close by, it may be something contageous, (vs. weather or hay/food related). Chalmydia crossed my mind, though that does not explain the "limp" front legs (or are they stiff?). Are there any cats roaming about the farms? They are known carriers.

How far along in her pregnancy is she?
HF

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If we get the worms under control and she does still have a kid inside of her due to inability to pass it from paralysis, is there any cases where the goat goes on to deliver because I can't get to any lute at this point in the storm.[/QUOTE]

Birth happens involuntarily, if she's down she can't help position the kids for the birthing process. If she's within 10 days of her due date consider an emergency c-section if things start to go awry. Perhaps your vet or hubby, the kids have to be out within a minute of the doe passing, airways cleared to breathe on their own.
HF

Ok. So today we gave Rosie 1 cc of injectable ivermectin and 2 cc of safe-guard. I am giving her 2 cups of water every hour and all they hay she can eat. Her gums are still pale but she is sitting up and eating with her head up now. This is a major improvement as that thus far we could not even keep her propped up.
I am continuing with the red cell, b vitamins and 1 cc of Dex. I have cut the penicillian back to 3 cc a day simply because she is having to be stuck so much and she has no fever.
We almost put her down yesterday but decided to wait and try the worm medication since she did not seem to be in pain. Thank you for the suggestion. I will let you know if she continues to improve.

Did you weigh her? If she weighs 40 - 50 lbs as mentioned previously, she should get about 1 2/3 cc of Ivomec, administered orally.

The Safeguard doesn't work on stomach worms which cause anemia.

I'm glad she's doing better!

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Alice, I get so much different advice. I chose to go with the recommendations of the tennesseemeatgoats.com recommendations 1cc per 55lbs and twice the cattle dose of safeguard. I am not sure what that means but I gave her 2cc instead of the recommended for goats 1.2cc. Hopefully between the two of them they will cover stomach worms because I feel like that is what may be perpetuating her anemia since i have been giving her red cell, molasses water, and electrolytes since Thursday night.

Recovering from anemia is a very slow process. It took a long time to get that way and they do not spring back overnight. It is why the famacha charts are so dangerous.
By the time you have pale gums and eyelids you have a long way back to a healthy goat.
This will not be a quick fix.
B~

You may want to give her probios since she's getting penicillin.

I'm glad to hear that she's looking better.

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If she's a Nigerian Dwarf, you need to be reading on dairygoatinfo.com.

If you underdose dewormers, you kill off the weak worms and leave the strong ones to bounce back.

Safeguard has lost effectiveness for the same reasons that antibiotics are losing effectiveness against MSRA. Unfortunately, even in some parts of the country, the worms are becoming resistant to Ivomec, too. Many of us have switched to Cydectin.

It takes bone marrow three weeks to regenerate red blood cells.

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unfortunately she isn't making the progress I thought she was. Her sitting up didn't last but a few minutes.There really hasn't been much change< except in an odd tick in her legs. not sure if it's a good or bad sign.
Alice I have no idea what kind of goat she is. We took her in from an owner who was giving her away to get a dog. Strangely enough , she always thought she was a dog.

Oh, dear. If she's down on her side again, it may be time to be merciful and put her down.

I'm so sorry.

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Rosie didn't make it. I did learn alot though from the experience.