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Old 11/22/09, 09:43 PM
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If it's that bad on his legs I would take a trimmer and clip it off. I have used baby wipes in the dead of winter on Gretta when she had the afterbirth discharge from the twins and that worked pretty good. You can try that. I would keep him on on straight grass hay until you see normal berries and then limited browse. Did you get a fecal test ?
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Old 11/22/09, 11:01 PM
 
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Papaya enzyme tablets are over with the human vitamin section.
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Old 11/22/09, 11:13 PM
 
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TN Farmer's Co-op has several feeds you can use for both goats-

#93840 is the 16% pelleted goat ration with Deccox and ammonium chloride. This is a good choice for when he is better.

#94250 is 16% (I think) 'Superstarter' with tetracycline and bovatec- I have used both of these #'s together for the kids this year and the bad stuff coming in with the rain- it works, but they like the regular medicated goat ration best.

There is also the hay stretcher pellet for horses- TFC's Equi-lite complete- which has a smaller pellet and easier for the littler ones to eat- if you are going to feed something else to them besides hay, a hay pellet would be the thing. And when they are used to it, the pellet can be left in their feeders all the time, unlike grain concentrate pellets.

If you need some ammonium chloride, I have a 50lb, bag if it. Bring a zip-lock bag.
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Old 11/22/09, 11:29 PM
 
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If your little guy is so weak he falls over, it sounds like you're dealing with either severe cocci or bloodsucking worms. The sulfa I give is what I get from my vet. You don't have to give so much that they drown in it. Diarsanyl I can get either from my vet or some of the feed or livestock supply places. It has something that stops scouring and also soothes the intestines. The only grain I would introduce to your goats is the 16% pellets with Decoxx and AC. That is what I feed my kids.
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Old 11/25/09, 10:07 AM
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I'm waiting to hear from the vet on the results of the fecal. They're supposed to call sometime in the next 10 - 15 minutes.

Over the last 48 hours or so he has really crashed. Had to tube him last night (yay for me on getting it right!) but now he's okay with the drenching syringe. During his good moments, he's still nibbling on hay but not enough to keep him going. If I pick him up, he can stand and he'll go for about 30-45 minutes before either falling from exhaustion, or I make him lay down to rest. This is one tough little guy, that's for sure.

Side note - what do ya'll think of him eating a banana? They are loaded with good stuff I know...I offered him a very small piece after he was feeling better last night (early this morning)and he gobbled it up like candy.....but I'm afraid to offer him more without knowing whether it will mess with his tummy....
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Old 11/25/09, 11:08 AM
 
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Give him fortified vit. B complex. That will help him to sulimate the diet and help him have more energy.

Use yogurt becuz it have a good bacteria and will help his stomach feel better.

I would make sure he gets a good hay for to him. No grain for lil bit.


But lets find out what the vet says about his fecal test says..
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Old 11/25/09, 11:17 AM
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The vet's tech. did the fecal and said he has a very high worm load (which I already knew). She was going to give me some Valbazen (sp?) but after I told her about everything else that's been going on, she said wait until I hear back from her before I come get it. She's expecting the vet to check in any time now and is going to call me back and let me know what time today he will be back to the office (he was in the field on a call when I talked to her). I'm going to take him there for a thorough exam.....
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You need to call the vet back and find out what KIND of parasite did they see?

I think Valbazen is almost same as panacure and safeguard but differently. Valbazen is only given 1 dose. instead of once a day for 3 to 5 days like panacure and safeguard. I am not 100 percent postive about valbazen. But Please be sure find out what kind of worms are they seeing? Becuz I found out that my vet made mistake with me. I didnt ask him for what kind of parasite and he gave me safeguard and it didnt work at all. My goat gets worse then I went back and gave them more sample of fecal. I did ask them what kind of parasite and then they told me. I went home and research which wormers will be the best then I use different wormers and it works and it helps my goat get better.
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Old 11/25/09, 11:51 AM
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This was the vet tech that I talked to. I'm going to SEE the vet this afternoon...just as soon as they call back and tell me what time.
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Old 11/26/09, 11:00 PM
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Charlie spent last night and all day today in intensive care at the vet hospital, with no change whatsoever. He's no worse, but no better either. If there is still no change tomorrow morning, I guess I'll have to make a very difficult decision........
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Oh I am so sorry to hear that but did you ever find out what kind of worms does he have??
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Old 11/27/09, 02:20 PM
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I would give a moxidectin wormer asap. I don't think valbazan will get HC which is probably what he has and is deadly.
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Old 11/27/09, 03:50 PM
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They were strongyles - something that starts with a "T" and I can't pronounce....much less spell.

His sugar and protein started dropping around 2am this morning and they weren't able to get it back up so they called for permission to euthanize a little after 4am. They are going to do a necropsy and send me the report.
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Old 11/28/09, 04:37 PM
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I am so sorry you lost him. That uis really tough when you were doing everything you could to save him.
That's a good idea to have the necropsy done, at least then you'll know what caused it so maybe you can prevent it with any other goats in the future. I agree with deafgoatlady, I don't think Valbazen is much of a wormer but don't know that much about it since I have never used it.
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Old 11/29/09, 03:39 AM
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The vet hospital recommended ivermectin and strongid both (as in, at the same time). They said that if the fecals show that the ivomec/strongid combination isn't working then to try something different. I have asked my vet and some other breeders, and it seems that Valbazen is what is recommended when other dewormers aren't working - at least for occasional use. One breeder I talked to said he has great success with rotating Valbazen, Cydectin, and Ivermectin.

Apparently, a necropsy is free here. I'm not sure if that applies only to animals that die at the vet hospital, but I don't think it does. The vet school does them. Needless to say, when they offered, I jumped at it - with the request that they send me the report. They said with the holiday it might take a little longer than usual, but that's no big deal.
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Old 11/29/09, 09:02 AM
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Sorry you lost him.
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