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I would try to get that bag soft. Use some peppermint oil and massage her utter. Use warm compresses on it and keep massaging.

OK, why are you worried about CAE, it sounds like Mastitis.

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I was wondering the same thing, but didn't want to ask in case there was something obvious I just didn't know about yet

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Considering the timing, it's more likely to be mastitis, don't you think?

There is specific treatments for it, like Today flushes and injectable antibiotics. And lots of hot compresses and massage and attempts to milk that side out. A Today flush might open up that teat too (they are delivered through a little tube into the teat opening)

CAE is "in the differential" but start treating for mastitis now. Get her tested for CAE too, if that's important to you.

I found two newborn, seemingly healthy buckling twins, born the day before, DEAD the next morning. I didn't spend much time getting them to nurse (I was preparing to move out of state) and a vet I asked suggested they had an esophageal atresia, or a blockage in the esophagus. They were splayed out and rigid, legs poking straight out, not curled in a ball, so she believed they seized from acute electrolyte imbalance due to being unable to eat. This doe successfully raised triplets the year before and was a very generous milker, with open teats (I managed to check that )

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So sorry you lost a little one, I know that is so hard. We also lost our a kid this year, never had lost a kid before & had goats for 5 years. It is a bummer & you keep thinking there is something you could have done but I don't think in most cases there is. Usually I think most of us do what ever we can to save our animals so don't be so hard on yourself, It's not your fault!
Hope herriot & the other 2 are doing well.

Just my opinion but I wouldn't sell bottle babies to a new goat person for experience, sometimes it's hard for us experienced goat persons to handle & know what's right & too many things can go wrong with newborn goats & they go down so Fast!

Ive killed my first kid this year, she died over navel ill, and this one that is sick now is probably from me changing feed, it happens, its a part of life and the greatest thing about things like this is we can all learn, after all how much would we know if we never screwed up?

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Aww gee Cliff, so sorry. I'd try to let those kids nurse too and not send them to someone who wants to have the experience of bottle feeding.
We lost kids this yr too, first time in 4 yrs.
Hang in there.

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Oh I am letting them nurse and I am working my butt off on that udder to no avail. The kids seem to get a tiny bit from her but I am still feeding them from a bottle as if they're not getting any. They're sleeping in the house at night and spending the day with Mama.

Thanks for all the condolences. I'm ok. I just have alot to learn. We've had 4 crops of kids total, have never lost one, never had big udder problems and only had to treat cocci once. We were very lucky. Of course, our does are getting older and this batch were born during hot weather so this brings new challenges.

Cannon Farms...you did not "kill" any kids You didn't wish any harm

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help me remember was this the doe that was attacked by the herd ...I wonder if a possible injury to the udder or even interuterine injuries to the kids?

about the CAE... I had a positive doe kid in late May we aew milking her for family milk and while her udder is meaty it is meaty closer to the body she milks out over 1 gallon per day and has huge orifaces..........just does not sound like Cae to me.

CAE is a logical question as it sometimes causes "hard bag" but mastitis is the first step to identify and if necessary, treat ASAP.

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A tip for working with edema (congested udder): I took an igloo lunch box out with really hot water and two or three hand towels in it. Put the folded towel from front to back between the legs to cover the whole thing. Hold until it cools. Put the towel back in the hot water and repeat about three or four times then massage, message, message. Milk what will come out and start over. Of course closing the lid to keep those towels as hot as they can be with out burning the skin (hold it to your cheek to see if it burns-if not-good to go). The first time I did for 20 minutes or more and 3-4 times a day. Also I read to message upward. Not sure it it matters but it worked for me. The compresses and the messaging really can help. Do it as many times in the day as possible. It may take several days before you really feel that you are getting the hardness worked out at all. I've read it can take two weeks but with the two times I haven't had it go that long.
In fact the two kids born to a doe 6 days ago were not getting enough to eat and I had pulled one thinking she didn't have enough milk. Turned out she had Edema and they were not aggressive enough to get it worked out. I had her on the stand with the towels and messaging last night and worked some of hardness out pretty quick and then the kids and her all got BoSe shots. Already those kids are stronger. And she took back the kid I pulled so now she should be ok but I'll be keeping an eye on her and messaging again later today if she still has issues.
So be the message therapist and work those hardness out . If the kids spend time with the doe when will most likely pick up the feeding. Let them nurse some to keep the udder empty. I forgot to add that emptying the udder extra times in the day so its not engorged is equally important.
Good luck!!
BTW- I have 9 new kids from 6 does in 12 days. One doeleft to kid and today might be the day. We lost one, big buckling from small mom (the nightmare we all read about here and hope it never happens to us).
But all in all its been good.

Pam