5 month buck - urinary calculi ??

Pony- Banamine would work. Only problem the vet that works on larger animals told me to put him down basically and washed his hands of this problem because he doesn't work on goats. And the small animal vets won't give it to me because they don't work on large animals including goats. All my horse friends don't have any on hand or he would be getting it. So unfortunately he has aspirin but it is better than nothing. Thanks for the idea anyways.

Fishhead- As you can tell I have been trying to get something....the vets in my area are useless. The one pharmacy told me they could order it but it wouldn't be here until next wednesday. So it was better I ordered it myself and I ordered enough that I wouldn't have this problem again. I am on the same page with you, only if I can get the vet(s) on the same one with us.

3crow where & when did you order the AC. I will overnight exspress some to you tomarrow from the Post office if you want me to. Let me know tonight. Sorry but I would never make it to the Post office tonight as I'm out in the boonies.

I agree he needs it ASAP! Tell the large animal vet your not putting him down till you can hopefully save him & tell him you need the Banamine. It is not up to him if you put him down or not.
Check with the feed stores & mills around you too, sometimes they will AC & sell you a small amount!
PM me with your address if you want me to ship you some AC!

we justed lost are goat elvis to a blockage and tried all of that stuff . best of luck do not give up

how is the little guy doing?

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I just got in from my night check. He is hanging in there. I gave him his meds and took like them like the champion he is. I brought him some special munchies and he took them and gobbled them up. I think the vinegar/water has help too some because he is able to drop some now.

The AC is supposed to be here I am hoping early but can come here as late as 2pm EST. I am working but people are on high alert here and as soon as it comes he is getting it. I live in the sticks/boonies, so it depends on the truck schedule.

I may have tracked a close source for Banamine, she had to check and told me she will call in the morning around 7am to let me know if she has it or if she can track some down. My sister also tracked some down for me and she is sending it in the morning. So he will have it Saurday at the very latest.

Becks521 - sorry to hear about Elvis, this is very hard to watch. I am not giving up on him because he is showing that he isn't ready to quit.

Backfourty - Thanks for the offer but I think I may have things covered now. But if I don't I will get in touch. I have been to every feed store and mill in 100 mile radius of my farm. I been to two different states. The stores here simply don't have it. Most of the goat farmers here put them down when this happens, I am different from the normal. I am beginning to think that they all think I am crazy.

Well I am beat, I need to crash for 3 hours until next check. I will keep you all posted. Thanks for all the help.

You and your goatie will be in my thoughts today as I head out to work.....You are doing a great job trying to get him better. Fingers crossed and prayers that he will be ok

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I've looked through your posts, don't see where you're located.

If you're ANYwhere near NW MO, I'll be there in a heartbeat with banamine and anything I can get from my vet.

Sorry I didn't think to offer sooner.

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KIeeping my fingers crossed for your little guy, I sure hope he makes it & your right it is very painful to watch an animal we love so uncomfortable. If you get the AC I think you can save him since it sounds like he is not completely blocked.

Apple cider in his water will help to get him drinking more after you start the AC too. The more he drinks it will help flush his system. The apple cider vinegar will not dissolve any stones as some folks think, he'll still need the AC but he will drink more. All my goats love it. I give them a fresh bucket each morning in each pen & it's always the first stuff to go.

Who cares what all those other people think, it's your animal & your time & money is what I figure! We don't think your crazy!

I ordered AC from Pipestone Vet if I remember right. I had it in about 18 hours but we are both in MN.

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Oh, come on now. Anyone who has goats is a little crazy. But it's a good kind of crazy.

So, I'm crazy, you're crazy, we're all a bit nuts.

BTW - good reminder about the ACV. We have a hard time getting REAL apple cider vinegar around here. It's all "apple cider FLAVORED vinegar."

I have to ask my mom-in-law to pick some up for me before they come to visit next week.

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Pony, I think your right, really we are crazy! But thats OK, who care's what those other ordinary folks think anyways!

3Crow, Did the AC come in & is he doing any better yet?

Any word?

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How is he doing???

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Meds are here finally they all came yesterday. He got them ASAP and I am really not sure how things are going, very little has changed.
He is still eating and drinking. Late last night I was out and all seem the same but he didn't pee anything (this is the first this happened but had more peeing action earlier). I have to go into work again this morning and be home early afternoon. I have the family watching him very closely. He seems better when he is outside always gets more down in so we will see how he is. How many times a day for the AC??

If it's urinary calculi I would give him the AC for at least 2 weeks to make sure al the stone's & crystals are through his system. Once a buck or wether has this problem though they will most likely always have this problem. You will have to always keep a close eye on him & if he were my little buck he would get a maintenence dose every single day forever.

Does he have what looks like ice crystals stuck to the hair around his penis? Is he acting like he wants to pee or straining or grunting? Also the rectum area will protrude outward kinda like it swollen or sticking out?
I sure hope he comes around soon for you.

What do you feed him?

I figured he will be an AC maintanance animal. What I am not sure is, how many times a day should I give him the AC. I see the recommended dose is 1 1/2 tsp for the dosage but doesn't say if it is once a day or more. I gave him 2 tsp like you said.

I don't see any crystals or stones on his hair on the outside of the sheath. The breeder told me he most likely has them in the pizzle. The thing is I can't get him to push out to see it.......so, I really don't know if there stones/crystals hanging off his pizzle. He is trying to pee but only little trickles are come out, he strains, grunts, pushs rectally (no prolapse yet-thank heavens for that), farts and grinds his teeth. He is very uncomfortable and in pain.

I feed him a concentrate, it's a pellet grain that is made by a local feed company. It was recommended by the breeder. It has a 2 to 1 ratio and should be fine. In addition, he gets hay(grass) and is out in the pasture and browsing branches. My animals get fresh water two to three times daily. He also gets BOSS because he was a show goat for 4-H and a prospect for state fair. I don't over concentrate feed like some do because I believe in feeding animals as close as possible to natural things that they should eat. Anyways, I try to do it right.

I figured he will be an AC maintanance animal. What I am not sure is, how many times a day should I give him the AC. I see the recommended dose is 1 1/2 tsp for the dosage but doesn't say if it is once a day or more. I gave him 2 tsp like you said.

I don't see any crystals or stones on his hair on the outside of the sheath. The breeder told me he most likely has them in the pizzle. The thing is I can't get him to push out to see it.......so, I really don't know if there stones/crystals hanging off his pizzle. He is trying to pee but only little trickles are come out, he strains, grunts, pushs rectally (no prolapse yet-thank heavens for that), farts and grinds his teeth. He is very uncomfortable and in pain.

I feed him a concentrate, it's a pellet grain that is made by a local feed company. It was recommended by the breeder. It has a 2 to 1 ratio and should be fine. In addition, he gets hay(grass) and is out in the pasture and browsing branches. My animals get fresh water two to three times daily. He also gets BOSS because he was a show goat for 4-H and a prospect for state fair. I don't over concentrate feed like some do because I believe in feeding animals as close as possible to natural things that they should eat. Anyways, I try to do it right.

Some animals even with it a 2:1 ratio still get UC, I don't understand all the chemistry but they do because of too much iron in water, there chemistry, browse they eat, etc. it is confusing I know, to me too.

If you set him on his rear end with you standing behind him it is easier to get him to unsheath I guess you call it, anyways yiou'll see a curly little strip of skin at the very end of the penis, you need some very sharp, clean scissors & clip it off as close to the tip of his penis as you can without cutting the penis.
If you have some banamine that will help him relax so hopefully he'll relax & let you do this easier.
The crystals or stones will be lodged in the end of the pizzle. He should get relief right away if you can do that.
I actually took mine to the vet & he helped me but made me watch & help in case I ever had to do it again to another animal.
He will scream for a second but that's it. I also gave mine a shot of Penicillin for 5 days to make sure he didn't get an infection.

They can overdose on AC but in this situation I don't know how much is too much. If he is only tricling & in alot of pain & can't get relief it critical condition for him.

I would really try to get him some pain med's, get him on his rear(you'll need a helper) & cut the pizzle off.

If he were my little guy & in this bad of shape I would probly give him the AC 1 & 1/2 tsp in the a.m. & again in the evening & do that for 2 days. See if he's going good by then if not I would probly give him 2 tsp. once a day for 2 days & see how that does.
This is just what I would do. You have to do what you feel comfortable with for your little buck.

Just got in from the night check and he seems a little brighter,in less pain, more aggressive about munching his goodies and some of the electrolytes we are giving. He seems to be more productive with his urination and not straining as much. I am home tomorrow and will be able to watch him much closer and see if I can check the pizzle the way you described. I will make a decision at that time about the pizzle. It is going to take more then two peeps to do this though. He can be quite stubborn.

I think since I am seeing some changes for the better, I am going to hold his dosage at 2 tsp once a day for now. I understand they can OD on the AC so I would rather go conservative. If he goes down hill, I will change accordingly.

Thanks for all the help and support.

Glad he is looking better...keep us posted! It's so scary

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