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Old 07/02/09, 01:36 AM
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They do havw access to loose minerals usually, which my son does. I will have to check and be sure they didn't run out. Is that something that I can give in a shot or just be sure they have the minerals?

Does copper deficiency hurt the babies?
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Old 07/02/09, 02:13 AM
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You can give a copper bolus to them. Yes in severe copper defeciencies it can cause paralysis in the babies, and after they are born, their coats will also not be as nice and can even change colors.
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Old 07/02/09, 06:11 PM
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I checked and they were not getting the free choice minerals. Son#2 had run out awhile back and didn't tell Dad#1 Grrr. I should have been checking. They have it now.
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Old 07/03/09, 09:28 AM
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Congrats on the preggers does.
CJB, where are you located?? It looks like your girls are in need of a copper bolus and a Bo-Se shot. Immediately would be good, as they are due soon.
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Old 07/03/09, 03:30 PM
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I gave loose minerals - they had run out and my son hadn't told me.

BoSe shot too? Ok. I'll call the vet and ask about getting that. I've never given them that before.
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Old 07/03/09, 03:33 PM
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BoSe is for Selenium deficiency. Have you had kids before with feet/legs that seem stiff or hard to walk on for a few days/weeks after they are born? This is usally a pretty good sign that they need a BoSe shot.
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Old 07/03/09, 03:44 PM
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Nope, I've always had really healthy babies and have never given a BoSe shot. The lady that farms goats out here doesn't either. If my goats look like they need it, I'll get it.
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Old 07/03/09, 04:00 PM
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From the looks of it, it is probably a copper/selenium deficiency. They work hand in hand for the over-all health of the goat.
If they were my does, knowing that they have not been recieving loose minerals and seeing how they look, I would copper bolus them now, give them a Bo-Se shot now, to start correcting the level of deficiency that can be seen before they kid out. And yes, keep your loose mineral out.

Copper is so very essential to the body functioning properly. Proper copper/selenium levels(copper and selenium work hand in hand, if you don't have enough of the one, you won't get the full benefits of either), are essential for breeding, conception, gestation, kidding, cleaning out properly, milk production, worm resistence, growth, feet health, longevity, hair, all around health.

*On average*, most goats are deficient at some level or another, some critically, more just enough to keep them from being all they can be. All should have a high copper mineral(usually a cattle mineral as most "goat" minerals aren't worth the money), many will need bolused besides.

High levels of iron and/or sulfur in food or water inhibit the proper assimilation of copper, in these areas, they will need at least a high copper mineral and probably bolusing as well.

I personally began bolusing my herd several years ago, along with a free-choice loose high copper mineral(Cargil Right Now Onyx Beef Cattle Mineral), and the use of Bo-Se(selenium) pre-breeding and pre-kidding, and the improvements have been dramatic. The goats weren't problamatic before the bolusing and Bo-Se, but after the bolusing....the change was obvious. Where I had twins before, now I got triplets and even quads. Triplets were the exception and now they are the rule. My first fresheners very rarely have singles and often they have triplets. They all clean out better, milk better, have shinier coats, better feet, breed earlier, etc, than before.

If I seem pushy, I am sorry. Just something I feel very strongly about.
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Old 07/03/09, 04:18 PM
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Oh, been thinking 'bout this. Selenium/copper issues could very easily be *one* of the reasons you didn't get any kids last season. They are so very important to both the does and bucks reproductive health. It certainly wouldn't have helped, even if they were just borderline deficient.
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Old 07/03/09, 06:14 PM
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Not pushy at all - I need you to be direct and informative. I will see if anyone has copper boluses around here. Dumb question but... bolus goes in the mouth, yes? is BoSe SubQ or IM?
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Old 07/03/09, 06:24 PM
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Called the goat lady and going to pick up BoSe and copper from her.

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Old 07/03/09, 08:58 PM
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Yes, bolus goes in the mouth and needs to be swallowed intact to be most effective. Here is what you want:

http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/...&cmkw=copasure

All feed/farm stores sell bolusing guns. You want the small one for goats. I also use it for bolusing calves. Just fit the boluses in the bolusing gun, slip it over the back of the goats tongue and depress the plunger. Hold the goats head till your sure it swallowed.

Bo-Se is SQ.

Glad you could find it locally.

Oh, anyone else with small herd who doesn't want to buy a whole bottle of Copasure, I'd be happy to ship you a few boluses if you pay for shipping and the price of the boluses. I usually buy a few bottles at a time since I split them with several people near me.
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Old 07/03/09, 10:55 PM
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Emily - if you hadn't suggested that I go right out and get BoSe and copper, I would not have run up to my barn to administer the same and would have missed the birth of the first baby goats here in a LONG time. I went to the door to let the first girl in and Fizzee was out there hollering
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