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05/27/09, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pokyone42
I wish you lived near us in New York state, Pammielu...
We have a bunch of very sweet, loving and GORGEOUS little 3 month old Boer cross wethers, that we would love to find homes for....and they all (shame on me) have names, too! Let's see... there is Lincoln, Uncle Floyd, Squareface, Frecklenose, Spaz, Stripe, etc... 
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Awww. Too bad. I believe New York state is a little far to drive, lol. Thanks for offering. Lincoln, that's a very cute name.
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05/27/09, 03:15 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Near Bath NY.. dumb name for a town, huh?
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Our Lincoln ia a beauty! And a moose! He was a twin, and weighed 11 pounds 2 ounces at birth! The biggest kid ever born here!  I don't know why, but as soon as he was born, I named him Lincoln...lol.
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05/27/09, 03:31 PM
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05/27/09, 05:31 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cosby, TN
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These boys are FB level- 3/4 Guernsey. They are grades, not high enough level to be used for breeding up and thusly pets or meat. Does are always breeding stock, but boys from HB2 level (same as 1st gen. ADGA American) can be used for grading up, and to get to British Guernsey, BG and purebred GG's are used for grading up to BG status. One more level to get to BG than ADGA uses to get to American.
The purebred Golden Guernsey and Guernsey are *two separate breeds*- we've had this bashed into our heads from day one by BGS. An exercise in semantics, to be sure.
Unless the breeding stock have their paperwork in place by the BGS, they are only 'yellow colored goats'.
BTW> NONE Of the purebred GG bucks in the US will *ever* be wethered. They are collected and used by AI or sold to breeders. The genetics are far too valuable to lose.
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05/27/09, 05:33 PM
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Should read '1st generation American *buck*.' Does are HB1 are the same as 1st Gen. American doe.
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05/27/09, 09:01 PM
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Cathy
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Tallahassee, Florida
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Hi Pam, I was new to HT at the same time you were on here with Baaabs. I lost one of my does when her doelings were a couple of weeks old so I now have 2 bottle babies. I LOVE my bottle babies! I find them easier to take care of than my dam raised babies. You will be there maaaa. I wish that I had been able to get my nubians from someone responsible like Betsy who knew what they were doing. You will start out with healthy boys. Good luck on your decision. Cathy
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05/27/09, 10:08 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southeastern Ky
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Originally Posted by Tallabred
Hi Pam, I was new to HT at the same time you were on here with Baaabs. I lost one of my does when her doelings were a couple of weeks old so I now have 2 bottle babies. I LOVE my bottle babies! I find them easier to take care of than my dam raised babies. You will be there maaaa. I wish that I had been able to get my nubians from someone responsible like Betsy who knew what they were doing. You will start out with healthy boys. Good luck on your decision. Cathy
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Thanks alot! That is my main goal, healthy boys, and I hope I found them!!
I learned alot with Baaabs, and not jumping in with my eyes closed this time. I hope to learn alot from Betsy. Hoping for a happy ending!!!!
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05/28/09, 08:52 AM
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Cathy
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Tallahassee, Florida
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My two doelings have not had one problem with bottle feeding. I used the recipe that I found here: 1 gallon whole milk, one can of evaporated milk and one cup of buttermilk. I would use the first portion of the gallon of milk and then add to it. I also found that using the glass vinegar bottles with the tan type nipple with a larger hole worked well. I did buy some vinegar bottles with the neck to small and had to use the Heinz vinegar bottles. The milk heats up well in a pot of water and the glass keeps it warm. I also add the baking soda to their milk for one feeding. Just let me know if you want a nubian doeling when your ready for that milking time!
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05/28/09, 01:06 PM
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Location: Georgia
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Dairy goat breeders all over the U.S raise bottle babies every year. I have raised numerous bottle babies on straight Vit. D cows milk from the grocery store. All have been healthy and happy and grow very well.
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05/28/09, 02:11 PM
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Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Pammielu
Thanks alot! That is my main goal, healthy boys, and I hope I found them!!
I learned alot with Baaabs, and not jumping in with my eyes closed this time. I hope to learn alot from Betsy. Hoping for a happy ending!!!!
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Does this mean your a new goat owner
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05/28/09, 02:28 PM
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Katie
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Location: Twining, Mi.
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Can someone post a picture of the Guernsey Goat? I had never heard of them before this thread & never seen one. I would love to see a picture if betsy or any of you have one.
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05/28/09, 06:06 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Helianthus
The question is, who wethers Golden Guernseys, a rare breed that is hardly represented in America?
Of course, as wethers their only value is for meat.  What a waste.
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We started out with nothing but wethers, and meat goats at that! Their value to us is that we love them dearly and they help keep our hillside free of weeds! Mostly though they are just for loving on and keeping us entertained - a very valuable service indeed! I don't know what it is about goats but for some reason there is nothing more relaxing to me than sitting and just watching them do what they do.
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05/28/09, 06:09 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: East Tennessee
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http://www.goldenguernseygoat.org.uk/
You can go to the above link and see picks of what they are supposed to look like.
Nancy
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05/29/09, 12:15 AM
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Location: Cosby, TN
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05/29/09, 07:45 AM
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I'm a Guernsey breeder (I have one grade guernsey doe, and a British Guernsey buck on the way). Betsy is right, any buck that is not HB2 status or higher must be wethered because he cannot be used in an upgrading program. I love the Guernseys for their laid back, friendly temperament. My grade doe compliments my Saanens in temperament.
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05/29/09, 10:03 PM
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Katie
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Twining, Mi.
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Thanks for the link Nancy, I checked it out.
Also very nice blog betsy h. & nice pictures of all your animals around your place. Those new babies are adorable.
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05/29/09, 10:11 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Washington
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Why do I now have this intense urge to watch "The Sound of Music?"
(Nice blog. I'm a Saanen-lover myself.)
I saw a Golden Gurnsey just a couple of weeks ago at the local Youth Fair. I talked some to the gal that had her and she told me she had bought her from a breeder in the Tri-Cities area (Washington) and paid a pretty penny for her.
Very nice-looking young doe and seemed very sweet and calm.
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05/29/09, 10:21 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cosby, TN
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That Guernsey would Blue Collar Garnet, an HB1 doe I believe, belonging to Natasha Brooks.
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06/22/09, 02:16 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Northern California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueJuniperFarm
It does concern me that these babies are being wethered so young. It probably wouldn't matter if they were going for meat, but it sounds like they are expected to go for pets (more or less). A male goat's urethra increases in diameter as the goat matures. When the buck is castrated, the diameter of the urethra ceases to increase, possibly leaving the wether more vulnerable to urinary calculi later on. I try to err on the side of caution with my buck kids, and wait until they are close to eight weeks old to castrate -- longer for bucklings who are definitely going to be used for pack goats. The wether I kept for my own packer didn't get castrated until he was sixteen months old (by the vet). A day or so old is WAY too young to be castrating, IMO.
Kathleen
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I didn't know that!!! That would explain why my wether has a very small stream and my buck has a much wider stream... that's good to know because I have a buckling that will more than likely be banded. I will be selling him as soon as he is weaned, so should I wait until just before he goes?
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06/22/09, 03:41 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NY
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OK I will bite how much does a doeling gurnsey run ? I have always loved the breed from a distance because I am not sure I can afford them.
Patty
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