Worms so soon after deworming?

And shepperd breeds and even some toy breeds have had extremely bad reactions to Invermectin, even death. To be safe, I won't let any of my dogs have it in any form.

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LOC, there are thousands of LGD's who get ivermectin monthly here in Texas where most meat goats live From when I raised Shihtzu's to now Rhodesian Ridgebacks, I have used Ivermectin injectable given orally for heart worms since the early 90's. I like using the Ivermectin because it not only gets heartworms but it also has a profilactic worming of intestinal worms, other than tapeworming usually once a season, or worming bitches with pups, we dont' have to worm our adult dogs. All that for about $30 a year for 3 full grown 100 pound dogs. Vicki

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Hope she is doing better today

I've been raising Boer goats in Northeast GA. for over ten years and have heard numerous presentation regarding worms and wormers over the years from some very knowledgable experts. Most recently, a scientist from the University of Georgia gave us a presentation and one of the things that he talked a great deal about was wormer resistant worms as a growing problem in the goat industry. One specific piece of information was his statement that Safeguard is all but useless as so many of the parasites today who were treatable with it only a few years ago have now developed resistance to it. The unequivocal recomendation was Cydectin injectible. Give it at the rate of 1cc per 110 pounds. Good luck, hope this info helps. dales53@hotmail.com

PS, I recently changed wormers and used the Cydectin injectible for the first time and was amazed at the quick and visible improvement in the overall condition of the goats in my herd of 90 goats.

Quest contains the same active ingredient as Cydectin (moxidectin). I prefer the Quest over the pour-on because it is already in an oral formulation. I think that the new injectible Cydectin is a good option.

Do you know for certain the dosage when using Quest? I'm very interested in knowing, as it would seem to be less expensive than the Cydectin.

Thanks!

NeHi

1 cc per 60 lbs. I transfer it from the horse tube into a syringe so I can measure it out.

How bout hookworms? A few years back I had a couple goats (I brought in from another state) with a decent load and the vet told me Safeguard for 5 days was most effective for clearing this. Of course, I live in the NE.

O.K., so let me get all this right.....

Cydectin injectable (which, I assume you inject) at 1 cc/110 lbs

Quest paste (which you give orally) at 1 cc/60 lbs

Cydectin cattle pour on (which you use topically?) at 1 cc/25 lbs

What is the particular Cydectin that they talk about on Fias Co. Farm's website (pasted below):

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Cydectin
Quest Equine Wormer
Drug Name:

moxidectin


Family: Milbymycin
Treatment & Control of: Lungworms, gastrointestinal roundworms, larvae, lice, mange mites & cattle grubs. Extrenal parasites.
Goat dose: Oral
Cydectin- given orally 1cc per 20-25 lbs.
Quest Equine Wormer - Is 4 times stronger per ml. than Cydectin. I am unsure of the dose for this particular product for goats (the dose would be different than stated on the label.
Milk withholding time: none
Notes:
Avoid getting this on your skin.
Do not overdose this wormer. There are some questions as to whether this is, or is not, safe for use in pregnant does. This may be related to overdosing. I avoid using this in pregnant does.
Do not use topically; use orally. I have heard of some health problems, and even deaths, reported when this wormer was used on goats as a pour-on.
I have used this and it worked well, but since this wormer was designed to be used topically, as a pour-on, I am concerned about the carrier (it smells like wart remover). Since I do not want to risk my goat's health, I do not use this wormer.
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Just want to make sure I have all of the Cydectins straight.


Thanks,

DeAnn

I always use cydentic pour on as 1 cc per 20 lbs and it works fine for us. Quest is almost same thing but the dosage is different since it is paste..

The problem with information from Cydectin injectable is it is new. Safeguard had wide spread resistance as soon as it hit the market because it is nearly the same formualtion as the old TBZ (thibenzaole that was used as a paste for year, certainly since I have had goats in 86)...Ivermectin has resistance do to the injectable being used injected, we know this is unrefuted science now, that if it had been given orally like in my herd, due ot shot site abscess, it would not have the resistance it has now. So how do we know that using our cydectin injecatable, as an injectable, is not going to lead us right down the same path as it did with Ivermectin? Sorry but the pouron works, the little tubes of Quest are fine if you have a few small goats, there is little meds in that tube, and at 1cc per 100 pounds to match the mg/kg of the other dosages.

Quest/Cydectin injectable or orally are all exactly the same thing.

Safeguard/Pancur are exactly the same thing.

Levamisole is yet another sole....and Ivermectin was the first family of ectins.

This is where all of this becomes so important, when and if you do build resistance in your herd, by not learning from the past and using wormers injectable...or orally from pastes, will you then be a herd who can't move to oral and have it work anymore, when they do find out that it indeed does cause resistance faster? Sorry I am not going to take that chance with Moxedectin. Vicki

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the problem i have with the injectable cydectin for our dairy does, if it is supposed to stay longer in the system (everything sc will, even pennecillin)
what would be the milk withdrawal?
when they recommended the injectable cydectin, they had meat goats in mind. with kids nursing off their dam, getting low doses from this wormer, i can see resistance built up very soon.

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