Additional advice needed for down goat...

Minelson · #21 04/30/09, 10:40 AM

It sounds like Bob has a wonderful, loving home

I hope he does recover you

kreddish · #22 04/30/09, 10:48 AM

Great update on Bob

Glad he is feeling better!

lamoncha lover · #23 04/30/09, 11:50 AM

Please keep us updated on Bob. I think he has a whole forum rooting for him. It sounds like he is very loved.And I trust that that love will aways keep his best interest at heart.I love my buck too...and I like to think I would give him all the time he needed until he got well or until I felt it was hopeless and that his quality of life stunk or he was in pain.
good luck to you all.

Sweet Goats · #24 04/30/09, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deschamps_Farm

We deworm everyone on our farm every 3 months, I'm a little worm crazy. It's my thing. I rotate wormers, etc.

That could be why he is doing poorly. The problem is people are so worried about worms that they OVER medicate the goats with dewormers and now the worms are resistant to the wormers.
ONLY deworm them if the NEED IT. People you are killing your own goats. Have a fecal done on that goat and I bet anything he has a HUGE worm overload because you are rotating the meds. Do you even know what worms you are treating for? Certain wormers are for different worms.

It is like you taking a antibiotic just because you have a cold or start to sneeze, then when you do it again give yourself a different antibiotic, pretty soon none of them are going to work for you either.

I hope he continues to improve. He sure sounds like he wants to and that is a GREAT sign.

JKB07 · #25 04/30/09, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Goats

That could be why he is doing poorly. The problem is people are so worried about worms that they OVER medicate the goats with dewormers and now the worms are resistant to the wormers.
ONLY deworm them if the NEED IT. People you are killing your own goats. Have a fecal done on that goat and I bet anything he has a HUGE worm overload because you are rotating the meds. Do you even know what worms you are treating for? Certain wormers are for different worms.

It is like you taking a antibiotic just because you have a cold or start to sneeze, then when you do it again give yourself a different antibiotic, pretty soon none of them are going to work for you either.

I hope he continues to improve. He sure sounds like he wants to and that is a GREAT sign.

This is a poorly thought out statement.

I am currently going to school in Wyoming, but I am from Alabama. The worm load out here is nothing compared to what it is back home.

Justin

Sweet Goats · #26 04/30/09, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JKB07

This is a poorly thought out statement.

I am currently going to school in Wyoming, but I am from Alabama. The worm load out here is nothing compared to what it is back home.

Justin

I do under stand that but if you over medicate anything, the medications STOPS working. PLAIN and SIMPLE.

I have dewormed my goats a couple weeks ago for the first time in 7 years. I do fecal floats and they just showed they needed it. I have the Vet double check me every so often just to make sure I have not missed something.

hoofinitnorth · #27 04/30/09, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JKB07

I am currently going to school in Wyoming, but I am from Alabama. The worm load out here is nothing compared to what it is back home.

And presumably fecals and the conditions of overloaded goats not dewormed would reveal this. Sweet Goat's statement did not contradict your scenario. Only worm when your animals need it.

Deschamps_Farm · #28 05/01/09, 05:55 AM

The dead they sleep...

The dead they sleep a long, long sleep;
The dead they rest, and their rest is deep;
The dead have peace, but the living weep.
~Samuel Hoffenstein

Bob passed last night, poor Bob. My husband & I did our evening rounds, fed him, tucked the ducks in and came back to the barn to give him some water and sit a while, he took his last breath right in front of us and passed. No noises, no big sighs; just stopped. He stood for hours yesterday!
He was our only LaMancha in a herd of Alpines; what a funny sight to our family and neighbors. People always asking what happened to his ears? My niece asked if they fell off in the cold winter (she's 7)!
No more treats at the backdoor or kitchen window. No more sweet little nibbles. Our gentle friend is gone.
LaMancha's aren't common in our area. We've been looking for Bob's wife for a year and never found one! He wasn't so hearty throughout the winter and needed more than the Alpines. Extra feed, extra hay, more warmth. Does anyone else find that?
I just wanted to add, this morning I logged on to let you guys know and what was waiting for me was a rude reply in response to my wanted ad for Alpine Does or Doelings from user Bonafide. Thanks Bonafide. Thank you very much.

Starsmom · #29 05/01/09, 06:39 AM

I am so sorry you lost him. I know what you mean, even though they are bucks, they can be absolutely so sweet and loving. We have had a couple like that. I have noticed though, the ones that have that personality, don't seem to thrive as well. I'm not sure why. The ones that I have that act like a typical buck, are hardy and such. The ones with real personality, well, don't make it for one reason or another. My DS's first buck Lewis was like this. Even my DH, who doesn't really care much for the goats...or at least he pretends that, enjoyed being around him. Lewis was so sweet, we lost him to UC. His son, Spike, was what we called a gentle giant. He was so sweet and loving, even though he was twice the size of any other buck his age, he never pushed them around, any person either, just sweet. We lost him suddenly, a couple years ago after bringing him home from the fair. Then Lewis's other son, Zorro, our recent herd sire, we lost him suddenly a month or so ago. We believe we lost him due to a recent rash of poisoning. We lost several horses and goats suddenly and all symptoms were the same and indicative of poisoning. Anyway, I understand the love you felt for that special buck and know he will always hold a special place in your heart. I hope that you will once again find that special one. Looking for him will not help, he'll find you. I'm sorry you lost your friend and hope that you take peace in knowing you did all you could to help him and that he had a wonderful life with you.

Minelson · #30 05/01/09, 07:24 AM

Rest in peace Bob

I am so sorry for the your loss and the hole in your heart.

cathleenc · #31 05/01/09, 07:27 AM

I am sorry for your loss of Bob!

and bonafide, that was bonafidely rude. Grow up.

GoatsRus · #32 05/01/09, 09:01 AM

DF - So sorry about Bob. I know how it is, it happens to us every once in a while after kidding I might lose one of my does. We too worm on a schedule and after they kid etc. I worked for a vet and had access to all kinds of meds and knowledge, but no matter what we've done, once a goat is down, they stay down. I've never brought one back from being down. We buried all of them by the creek...they have a spectacular view...ha..ha.. My husband says the best herd any one could have is buried 6 feet under.
RIP Bob !

kreddish · #33 05/01/09, 09:17 AM

Ohhh, so sorry

May Bob's soul rest in pease. Amaizing how attached we all become to our critters.

Deschamps_Farm · #34 05/01/09, 07:07 PM

Thank you all very much for your support both in the thread and the pm's. It means a lot.

Jyllie63 · #35 05/01/09, 07:53 PM

I'm so sorry! If he had to go, I'm glad it was a peaceful journey to Rainbow Bridge for Bob.

Minelson · #36 05/01/09, 09:01 PM

That Bonafide post is about something else...it wasn't directed at you. I see where Bonafide was trying to delete a message on the barter board for selling out goats...must have tried to do the same thing here and just erased the message part..not the title part.

Qvrfullmidwife · #37 05/02/09, 06:10 AM

Sorry about Bob, it is so hard when you work so hard...plus if possible it seems that you get even more attached while they need that extra attention and care. When they do that rally at the end it just kills ya later! And some of our most affectionate goats are the bucks...we have one who will reach over the fence for kisses everytime we walk by.

Tallabred--rapid heartrate is a common symptom of anemia as the heart works harder to try to get oxygen to where it needs to be. Google "anemia symptoms".

Justin--"I am currently going to school in Wyoming, but I am from Alabama. The worm load out here is nothing compared to what it is back home."

All the more reason to fecal (do it yourself if you are worried about error--mcmaster slides are great) and target your wormers rather than using the shotgun approach. Wormers are not benign--any med has to be processed by the liver, might as well make it a med that you know is not only needed but will be effective. What you have in the situation outlined if you dont fecal is 1)not knowing what worms you have so 2)not knowing what wormer will be effective rather tyhan unnecessary stress on the liver 3)if the wormer even worked. 4)developing resistance to your wormer so eventually nothing will work.

Trust me, my part of Texas can rival anywhere as parasite heaven. HC, liver flukes, coccidia, you name it and we have it--in abundance. This is why those down here have learned to target worming rather than using a one-size-fits-all approach. FTR my vet agrees that one of the worst things that you can do is 'worm early, worm often' without knowing what you are dealing with.

beccachow · #38 05/02/09, 11:50 AM

I am so sorry for your loss of Bob, he sounds like he was an awesome little fella.

hoofinitnorth · #39 05/03/09, 12:31 PM

I'm so sorry. I'm glad you were able to be with him when he passed though.