CL abcess

betsy h. · #21 04/01/09, 12:57 AM

TX A&M has a program that is working using the antibiotic Tulathromycin- 'Draxxin'- which is a relative of Micotil as something to mitigate, or possibly cure, CL in goats. I should say Boer goats. Something worth checking into.

susanne · #22 04/01/09, 07:54 AM

next to tracking lifestock, i would like to see auction houses as place where only meat processor can buy with prove, animals are going to be slaughtered when leaving there.
i know some breeder that sold diseased goats only to find out somebody else bought them cheap to use for breeding.
cl just need to become reportable disease like TB or Scrapie. that alone would help to eradicate or at least lower numbers from infected herds substantially.

SheriM · #23 04/01/09, 08:15 AM

Here in Canada we do have a mandatory identification program for sheep and are on the verge of beginning a voluntary one for goats that will become mandatory within a year or two. Sheep producers accepted the mandatory ID program with very little objection but goat producers have been up in arms for years. The dissention is largely due to the varied aspect of the goat industry. Those who show do not want any form of ear tag marring the appearance of their goats, meat goat producers want large, easily readable tags, etc. Then there was the question of what to do about Lamanchas. The tag finally chosen is a small plastic tag and trials have shown it can be placed in the tail web of a Lamancha with no problems.

As for the trace back program doing anything to irraticate CL, that depends far more on the government regluations regarding reporting the disease. Here, CL is an "Annually Reportable Disease", meaning the government is required to submit annual reports on the number of cases to international organizations. That's all. It is not an "immediately reportable disease", like scrapie. Any disease on the immediately reportable list means the federal vets will show up at your door with a loaded gun.

Now, I'm not saying I think CL should be on the immediately reportable disease list. All I'm saying is that having traceability alone won't help control diseases. Because of how CL is classified here, a goat found to have CL at slaughter is condemned and disposed of, but no further action would be taken on the farm of origin.

stanb999 · #24 04/01/09, 10:48 AM

The real deal is breeders that work to irridicate CL in the milk herd are being thrown under the bus by the meat folks. There is more total money in meat goats. So the milk herd is considered an after thought in agriculture. So you milk only folks will never be free.

Put a different way.... With commercial herds being so highly affected. The .gov wont touch it.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #25 04/01/09, 07:51 PM

Those who show do not want any form of ear tag marring the appearance of their goats, meat goat producers want large, easily readable tags, etc. Then there was the question of what to do about Lamanchas. The tag finally chosen is a small plastic tag and trials have shown it can be placed in the tail web of a Lamancha with no problems.

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This is where we are working with the sheep and goat group, like we did with scrapie, so that our ADGA tattos or microchips will be accepted. There are plenty down here also fighting it with really good ideas like mass emails

but in the end there will be a program, hopefully voulentary, as in if you want to move livestock you voluenteer for the program

and also following what has already been done and in place, tattoo's and microchips...well if the goat is part of a registry. Vicki

stanb999 · #26 04/02/09, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians

Those who show do not want any form of ear tag marring the appearance of their goats, meat goat producers want large, easily readable tags, etc. Then there was the question of what to do about Lamanchas. The tag finally chosen is a small plastic tag and trials have shown it can be placed in the tail web of a Lamancha with no problems.

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This is where we are working with the sheep and goat group, like we did with scrapie, so that our ADGA tattos or microchips will be accepted. There are plenty down here also fighting it with really good ideas like mass emails

but in the end there will be a program, hopefully voulentary, as in if you want to move livestock you voluenteer for the program

and also following what has already been done and in place, tattoo's and microchips...well if the goat is part of a registry. Vicki

I think it would be good but you know how hard it is just to get MEDS. tested for goats... I just can't see the large producers backing something that could affect their bottom line.

I figure it will go more like this...

It will be voluntary for all producers. The milk folks will latch on to it...The meat folks will say what for?

Then they will be pressed and it will be something like the meat producers/ slaughter auctions will be exempt. The milk folks will raise the cost of their goats even higher, do to the then necessary culling. The market for cull milk goats kids will be even less profitable. This will be due to the meat price is the floor for most wethers and cull animals. Yet this price will be tiny when compared to the costs to the clean line milk producer.

So in the end the small producer will lose.

thequeensblessing · #27 04/02/09, 08:53 AM

When they start rejecting carcasses due to the disease, the way they do cattle and sheep, then the meat goat folks will start to take notice. When it affects their bottom line, it means something.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #28 04/02/09, 01:37 PM

NAIS in the .gov form, not the tinfoil hat on a little too tight.com form, are nothing alike. It will not affect the day to day at my farm, it only will effect paperwork for when I move my stock, sell my stock, show my stock and biggy for me...open the border for export.

Stan, meat or dairy it's all marketing. The reason some of us make a living at our milk is because we market our own milk....the minute you give percentages to someone else to make something into your milk you loose. The same with meat, if you market your own meat you make the most money...selling to broker or auction you make the least...how is any of NAIS paperwork going to impeed that? Big enough herd and you will not even have to chip or tag all your goats, your whole kid crop can be sold to one processor under one tag.

For me it's more about getting a workable program...exactly like scrapie. We will forever be tied to sheep, be it meat or dairy, so the sheep and goat working group is important. Vicki