Weird lump on face

madness · #41 04/15/09, 07:11 PM

Can you take the goat in? Our vet said to always bring the goats in for lancing so that you don't get anything in your soil.

kierababy16 · #42 04/15/09, 08:44 PM

We were going to take the goat in, but there was no openings for a week. So we called another vet and he will be out tom.

susanne · #43 04/15/09, 10:41 PM

please do not let him lance it if you do not have a place for her to put without any chance to ooze and contaminate your place.
your vet is not correct in saying it is not contagious for your horses.
please do a search and inform yourself.

DairyGoatSlave · #44 04/15/09, 10:58 PM

please let us know how its going

GoatsRus · #45 04/16/09, 09:51 AM

I don't know K16.... I worked for a breeding farm and what we call CL in Goats is called Strangles in horses. I'm pretty sure it's contagious to them also.

thaiblue12 · #46 04/16/09, 09:55 AM

Her vet is correct horses will not catch it. It is similar but not the same. Horses get Pigeon fever which is Corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis
but goats get Caseous lymphadenitis.
Humans cannot catch Pigeon fever from horses and in 90% of horses with only external lumps, survive. I did do my research since I have horse people all around me and one really inexperienced vet swore my goat had CL. I later found out it was a vacination site.
Good Luck with your doe.

http://www.extension.org/faq/24666

Animals affected:
* The disease usually manifests in younger horses, but can occur in any age, sex, and breed.
* A different biotype of the organism is responsible for a chronic contagious disease of sheep and goats, Caseous lymphadenitis, or CL. Either biotype can occur in cattle.

http://www.completerider.com/ucolora...INEQUINES.html

Corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis and is found worldwide. It can strike a horse of any age, sex or breed, but usually attacks young adult animals. There is a low incidence in foals.It has also been diagnosed in cattle, and a similar disease affects sheep and goats. The disease is not transmissible to humans, although humans can carry the infectious agent on shoes, clothing, hands or barn tools and transfer it to another animal.

susanne · #47 04/16/09, 11:14 AM

you are not correct.
it is the very same bacteria that will infect every warm blooded animal.
you are correct that it has a different name

please read
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/in...m/bc/10801.htm

madness · #48 04/16/09, 11:25 AM

Wow, isn't it terrible that there is so much conflicting information out there? No wonder vets say different things...

southerngurl · #49 04/16/09, 11:32 AM

Caseous Lymphadenitis is caused by corybacterium pseudotuberculosis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...erial_diseases

Gram positive bacteria

* Anthrax in animals - Disease in various species caused by Bacillus anthracis.
* Caseous lymphadenitis - Disease in sheep and goats caused by Corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis.
* Corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis - Causes above disease, and also ulcerative lymphangitis and other diseases in horses and various problems in cattle. Also known as Pigeon breast, Pigeon fever, False strangles, and Dry land distemper. Separated from caseous lymphadenitis because that disease is very important on its own.

kierababy16 · #50 04/16/09, 12:23 PM

It was Cl. He lanced it and put iodine inside to disinfect it. He said to keep her away from the other goats until it scabs over. She should be fine and will hopefully not get anymore. He said that she most likely will not get another one. It is like pigeon fever in horses once they get it, they usually dont get it again. They develop a immunity to it.

LaManchaPaul · #51 04/16/09, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kierababy16

It was Cl. He lanced it and put iodine inside to disinfect it. He said to keep her away from the other goats until it scabs over. She should be fine and will hopefully not get anymore. He said that she most likely will not get another one. It is like pigeon fever in horses once they get it, they usually dont get it again. They develop a immunity to it.

Kierababy, I'm so sorry that she is CL diseased. Forgive me for this strong post. It is just that CL is serious and so many people dismiss it like a toothache.

That vet is so full of BS.

He is one of the many vets who lead us in the wrong direction. I trust that he was bright enough to be bio careful and properly dispose of the puss; not contaminating your property. The iodine doesn't penetrate the stringy puss, but does kill all bacteria that it actually touches.

Where is the logic to keep her away from others until healed? If she is contigous to the animals then she is contagious to wood, hay, soil etc. AND SHE IS!

To treat a visible lump "might" get that one lump - but what of the ones that can't be seen? She is not and will not be "fine." She is a danger to your herd.

It is better to place more weight in the information provided by experienced goaters than educated fools.

Your goat most likely has cysts inside her right now. She almost certainly will get another visible lump. Please consider transferring her to another herd where they keep CL positive animals or perform a careful fatal cull.

Paul

hoofinitnorth · #52 04/16/09, 12:51 PM

I'm sorry but this vet is sending red flags all over the place. How would he know that she won't abscess again? CL is not at all as described, it OFTEN has recurring abscesses, most likely at a time of stress (illness, breeding, kidding, transport, etc.).

susanne · #53 04/16/09, 02:26 PM

please educate yourself. your vet is very, very wrong.
not only do you see abscess external, but they will have it internal too. in lungs, goats coughing and spread it everywhere. you just don't see it.
makes me shudder about your vet and i feel very sorry for you that you are getting so misguided.

good to read too
http://www.goatworld.com/articles/cl/cl2.shtml