I've made my decision - Thanks Vicki

susanne · #21 01/27/09, 02:51 PM

dairyness is recognized with long bone pattern, long neck, the slight curve of the rear legs.

on the website there is exact the same picture and it says he is 18 month old.
if he would be older, wouldn't we see his dark buck collar that just start to show on his withers in this picture?

i like this buck.

remember, he is only as good as his daughters.
are there any records from his daughters? how do they milk?
as a breeder, we want to follow strong dam lines

means, we don't choose a buck because of his sire, but because of his dam. sire is secondary.

beccachow · #22 01/27/09, 03:00 PM

OK, now I am off to research what are meat breeds and what are dairy breeds. Are some considered fiber breeds (------ is half angora)? This is actually very interesting to me! There's so much more than a cute face!!!

I don't think I ever thanked Vicki and the others who steered me away from potential problems when looking for new goats, but thank you guys from me, too.

I do like that buck, and I would wish for some of those adorable spotted babies I keep seeing (is that called something, like in horse talk it's appaloosa)?

farmmom · #23 01/27/09, 03:02 PM

Here's what is on the website about his pedigree. I'm just starting to learn what all this means, so I'll just put it in.

"Sire SG+B Goldthwaite My Leige Othello & dam Hylands Reighn Starlite 4*M mostly Goldthwaite breeding as well as lots of GCH Dear-Hearts "Omar" 90EEE in sire as well as some GCH Goldthwaite Godiva 6*M 91EEE in dam/12th place 3 year old in 99"

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #24 01/27/09, 03:26 PM

sire is secondary.
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Wow! Maybe in other breeds but certainly not in Nubians, Susanne.

When you run the numbers in your herd in the genetics site at ADGA, how many of your lines are heavy percentage of dam lines? Few if any unless it's your line you are breeding. Nearly all really sucessfull herds have very strong sire lines they use over and over. Then a dam line creeps in that is strong, bred to these sires, sons, grandsires, a true bloodline emerges. The backbone of Goldthwatie is Dear Hearts Omar, as is many of the Saada animals. Kastdemur was made over the back of one buck bred over and over through different dam lines. Lynnhaven is who she is because of Crown Explorer, a buck, his daughters are the foundation of her herd. It really does go on and on.

It's not enough to just admire the doe, if the sire line doesn't meld with what you are doing you are outcrossing and your kids will be medicore. Certainly not the tight linebred genetic pool you need to improve in Nubians.

Besides that an Othello son with a champion mom would have run her about $1200. Vicki

dosthouhavemilk · #25 01/27/09, 04:22 PM

http://www.endlessprairienubians.com/index.html
^The breeder of the buck. They moved to Ohio a couple years back. Unfortunately, no pictures of the buck's dam anywhere on the site. I found two granddaughters out of two different daughters of his dam, but no pictures on them either.

farmmom · #26 01/27/09, 04:39 PM

Here's his dam:
I've made my decision - Thanks Vicki - Goats

And some other does further back:
I've made my decision - Thanks Vicki - Goats

hoofinitnorth · #27 01/27/09, 04:58 PM

I think it's the angle of the photos of the buck himself, but it sure does look like he's lost the briskets we saw in the does farther back in his lines.