dosages for horse strongid and quest gel..

farmerjane · #21 01/20/09, 10:06 AM

I have heard that Quest is quiet poisionous to dogs, not sure how much truth there is there. The story behind that was that a Border Collie ate a bunch of horse poo after the horse was wormed and died from it ? Anybody else heard anything similer ?

DQ · #22 01/20/09, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by southerngurl

Quest goat dosage is 1 cc per 100 lbs body weight

http://dairygoatinfo.com/index.php/topic,60.0.html

I've seen that but unfortunatly the tube is not marked with cc's (or at least it didnt' used to be) and its a royal PITA to extract the paste into a syringe. so I had to figure it by the % of weight.

DQ · #23 01/20/09, 10:11 AM

"Moxidectin Quest, Cydectin extra-label 0.5 mg/kg PO 0 days ?"

http://www2.luresext.edu/goats/libra...dawson02b.html

langston has come to the same conclusion as I. .5 mg kg (horse is .4mg/kg) so it is 20%. just take your goats weight and add 20% and you have your weight dose.

I ahve heard the dog thing too with the collie breeds. all avermectins are dangerous to them. I have to border collie mixes so I am careful.

betsy h. · #24 01/20/09, 10:49 AM

They came out with a moxidectin based heartworm med a few years back that was injected next to the spine on a dog.

Bad idea. It was yanked off the market real quick.

DQ · #25 01/20/09, 10:59 AM

yes it is hard to even look into it because of that fiasco with the dogs the searches turn up so much stuff about the collie sensitivity. apparently some carry a mutation that allows the moxidectin to cross the blood brain barrier. here is what merck vet says about the safety.

"Mammals are generally not adversely affected by macrocyclic lactones. The SI for the macrocyclic lactones is typically wide, but both abamectin and moxidectin are contraindicated in calves and foals <4 mo old, respectively, because of narrow safety margins in these classes of stock. Otherwise, single administration at ~10 times and multiple administration at 3 times the recommended therapeutic dose levels do not have any secondary effects on healthy host animals."
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/in...canthelmintics

I still can't find that paper on the "how many times the reccomended dose can be given before seeing adverse affects" on the different wormers. it driving me cuckoo.

Gailann Schrader · #26 01/20/09, 02:46 PM

I always use Quest 1:1 with goats. Meaning that whatever the weight is for the goat? Is what I give. i.e., don't double or triple it for goats. Good Luck!

hoofinitnorth · #27 01/21/09, 02:17 PM

Is moxidectin (in any form) safe for pregnant goats after the first trimester? I need to look up what it kills. If my fecals say I need a de-wormer and a de-louser, I'd like to use one product that works safely. I'm told that lice are seasonal pests around here but I haven't had my goats here long enough to know if that is true with my herd. I have purchased goats that brought lice home and we treated everyone without a recurrence, but then winter set in.

One concern I've seen raised here about oral paste dosing is that the paste may or may not have the active ingredient well distributed throughout.

hoofinitnorth · #28 01/21/09, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DQ

"Moxidectin Quest, Cydectin extra-label 0.5 mg/kg PO 0 days ?"

http://www2.luresext.edu/goats/libra...dawson02b.html

langston has come to the same conclusion as I. .5 mg kg (horse is .4mg/kg) so it is 20%.

Langston is giving that dosage for pour-on administration.

dragonchick · #29 01/21/09, 03:10 PM

Quest paste question.
If you have a goat who's weight is say in between the weights, at 75#, in between the 50# and 100#, do you use the higher weight amount? or the lower? She is not bred and has a cough. Otherwise she is healthy so I was thinking lungworm. None of the other goats are showing any signs or symptoms of anything amiss. Shes happy, healthy, good appetite, normal temp, peeing and pooping like a normal healthy goat, just has a cough.
DC

hoofinitnorth · #30 01/21/09, 03:42 PM

You use the amount for her weight. If it's too hard to dose with the Quest syringe, you can suck it out into another appropriately-sized syringe. Some one here said they had trouble doing that but when I do this with any paste, I just stick the empty syringe in the tip of the paste and pull back as I push down slowly on the paste plunger. I have not ever used Quest, however. Maybe there is something about that paste that makes it harder to do??

dragonchick · #31 01/21/09, 03:55 PM

Thanks Heather. I didn't want to under dose ad get something immune to Moxi but I also didn't want to overdose and make her sick in this horribly cold weather. Its been so cold that the deer are having a field day/night. The deer like the cold, I and the goats don't.

crisco41 · #32 01/21/09, 07:33 PM

just wanted to update,,,,lil goat is doing much better., I gave her 5cc vit b complex...and she is eating! she is eating mostly hay..but i gace her a tiny bit of grqain and alfalfa pellets. and she ate! more then she's eatenin a week. If i ever transport a goat again..i will be treating with b before I haul.Its a miracle med.

Minelson · #33 01/21/09, 08:06 PM

Good news!

Now you can just have fun!

crisco41 · #34 01/21/09, 08:17 PM

they are sooo cute.....and all these babies on this forum are making me want a baby. neither of mine are bred this year,,,Soon I should be able to find a milk doe baby ya think? Maybe by then I will have gotten good fence up......