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lupiefarmer · #21 09/11/08, 07:06 PM

Thanks everyone, he seemed to have a better spirit at least tonight if nothing else. We did dose him with honey AC. I think it will make a huge difference.

Through all of this I think I have realized that I can't keep my regular vet unless they can get their heads out of, well moved to the proper area of their bodies. I also think I found a vet who I will use if I do need to for goats. She ended up calling me back today to tell me where to get some about 50 miles from here. She offered advice and said to call if needed. Okay so I think I like her, maybe. She is from a different vets office that I had not every tried (large animal).

I like the corn oil/ac idea. That is great. Nothing like being sneaky with the goats. They are quite possibly THE most infuriating, sneaky, loveable creatures I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with.

thanks,
I am actually going to sleep a bit better tonight knowing that the little pain had gotten what he needed for today and we will start over again tomorrow.

Thanks all, Laurie (vtfarma)

A@VT · #22 09/12/08, 06:42 AM

I just sent you a PM

fishhead · #23 09/12/08, 06:55 AM

If he makes it through this you might want to put him on a maintenance dose each day. I do that when I give more than a taste (bribe).

fishhead · #24 09/12/08, 07:06 AM

If he makes it through this you might want to put him on a maintenance dose each day. I do that when I give more than a taste (bribe).

lupiefarmer · #25 09/12/08, 03:30 PM

I still have feist, he is eating and pooping but the pee end of it is still not good. He is not a happy camper. He has had 2 doses so far of the honey dosed ac and I think he seems to be getting more output but it has not all let go yet.

I really appreciate all the support from everyone on here. Thanks again.

Laurie

BethW · #26 09/12/08, 04:54 PM

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

hoofinitnorth · #27 09/12/08, 05:32 PM

I'm glad he's better. Why were you opposed to surgery? The vet might have had a different opinion after an exam?

fishhead · #28 09/13/08, 08:26 AM

Did you talk with your vet about the acepromozine? That helps them relax the muscles and let the urine flow better. It isn't expensive. I have some that I would give to my dog during thunderstorms.

It's good that he isn't totally plugged.

Pony · #29 09/13/08, 08:40 AM

I'm wondering if it would help to give him a couple of liters of Ringer's sub-q? Even if he is drinking, it may help to flush him out.

Backfourty,MI. · #30 09/13/08, 08:51 AM

Laurie, I just went through this whole thing with my buck this past winter & it's very terrible to watch. I don't know what kind of goat you have or how much he weighs but to start out mine is a nigierian buck that weigh's about 65 pounds. I gave him 2 tsp. mixed in water in a 30 cc. needleless syringe used for cattle & squirted it in his mouth(slowly so he'll have to drink but you don't drown him) & do that much for 4-5 days. then drop the dose to 1 tsp. in the water for another week. If he has stones it might take 2 weeks or longer to get everything through & out of his system. Does he have what looks like crystals stuck to the fur around his penis?
I would also give him the AC everyday for the rest of his life. I mix mine on a Little 1/3 cup of alfafa pellets with a little bit of mollasses to make it stick. He has never had another problem but once they get stones they are more prone to them.
The daily dosage just for prevention is 1 tsp per 150 pounds of goat. I give mine 1/2 tsp. everyday.
My thoughts are with you, I know it's hard to see one of your animals in pain especially the ones that tug at our hearts so much! Sure hope he makes it. Keep us informed how his progess is.

dragonchick · #31 09/13/08, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony

I'm wondering if it would help to give him a couple of liters of Ringer's sub-q? Even if he is drinking, it may help to flush him out.

IF this little guy isn't able to pee then giving him more liquid could be disastrous and cause his bladder to burst.

Pony · #32 09/13/08, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonchick

IF this little guy isn't able to pee then giving him more liquid could be disastrous and cause his bladder to burst.

Oh.

I believe I read that he IS passing urine, but does not yet have a good stream.

Pony · #33 09/13/08, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonchick

IF this little guy isn't able to pee then giving him more liquid could be disastrous and cause his bladder to burst.

Ah, yes, here it is...

I based my question/suggestion on this:

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Originally Posted by lupiefarmer

I still have feist, he is eating and pooping but the pee end of it is still not good. He is not a happy camper. He has had 2 doses so far of the honey dosed ac and I think he seems to be getting more output but it has not all let go yet.

Cloverbud · #34 09/13/08, 11:17 AM

Actually, Pony, that is an excellent thought process. Administered fluids dilute the urine, help flush out any crystals or stones, and maintain hydration.

If he were unable to urinate, which is not the case, the little guy would require sedation and the passage of a urinary catheter, and possibly surgical intervention to remove any stones or sludge present in the bladder.

dragonchick · #35 09/13/08, 04:53 PM

I stand corrected.

KimM · #36 09/13/08, 06:26 PM

I didn't see it but has anyone mentioned snipping off the pizzle? I've seen it done and the urine just gushed out.
You have to sit the goat down and push back the sheath to expose the penis. What I saw was a white, thorn-like extension on the end - this is the thready piece of tissue that spins and sprays all over when they spray urine on themselves (bucks). This becomes clogged with crystals and once it's snipped off, right near the tip of the penis, the urine can flow out.
I would dip some good scissors in iodine to do it.

fishhead · #37 09/13/08, 06:30 PM

The AC lowers the pH of the urine and that is what dissolves the phosphorus crystals.

How is he doing? I hope he's doing better.

KimM · #38 09/13/08, 08:38 PM

That doesn't always happen at the lowest end of the urinary tract and snipping is sometimes necessary.

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Originally Posted by fishhead

The AC lowers the pH of the urine and that is what dissolves the phosphorus crystals.

How is he doing? I hope he's doing better.

lupiefarmer · #39 09/14/08, 01:45 PM

The little dickens seems to be improving daily. He is still not perfect but the ac is doing things for him obviously. I also have the salt in with him and he is drinking quite a bit again. I have been giving him the "shot" of it in his mouth mixed with honey so he will drink it and he is doing well with that. He is not overly impressed with it at times but maybe my dosing of honey to h20 and ac are not quite the same each time. He has been getting a tiny bit of grain with the oil/ac combination on it because he was so hungry and I figured for the amount of grain he was getting vs the ac it was fine.

Man you folks type fast. I am up here typing away and scrolled down to reference something and I have 3 more posts.

I was wondering about doing the subQ too. I have done on the other animals. I think that it would help him out. Now I just need to put the iv bag together... though only after I check him again - he may not need it.

This morning when I went in I did the check that I have been doing on him for the past 3 days, he loves graham crackers and will find them if I stash them in my pockets. The last 3 days I have done just that - today he stood right up and came looking for them.

He poked around my pocket and pulled on my sleeves and jacket until I gave him some.

I really would rather avoid an intervention like surgery especially as a "first out of the mouth of a new to me vet" resort... I appreciate that some may want to give you a run down of what you might be looking at but you better not tell me your coming and the goat needs surgery because you won't be coming. I can see taking in all the info in an assessment of the goat etc but he had never heard of ac. He had no other thoughts or solutions and I was not letting his closed mind step foot on my property. No exam, no surgery! Okay I have been stewing a bit since I spoke to that vet - I am off the soapbox now!

I have to run - beyond feist I have to can about 80 quarts of tomatoes... I keep picking and the row is still red. It has got to be paint.

Thanks again, Laurie

BethW · #40 09/14/08, 03:10 PM

Laurie, I'm so glad to hear he's doing better! I had checked in earlier today to see if you'd posted an update, and when you hadn't, I was crossing my fingers that it was good news. And it was. Go Feist!