Cough has me stumped....

Wildwood · #21 08/22/08, 05:25 PM

Patt here you go:

http://www.thegoatshop.com/

It's funny you should ask. I got home and had a card from her with her new web site addy. You'll find all the contact info right on the front page.

ACountryMomma · #22 08/22/08, 05:44 PM

Thanks for this information - I have a little bottle fed doe on a dry grassy pasture since she was 5 days old and she has this dry cough after exertion.

mylala · #23 08/25/08, 11:00 PM

Patt

Did anything work?

hoofinitnorth · #24 08/26/08, 02:46 PM

Are the coughs waxing and waning or spreading to previously unaffected animals? I have met a few goats that just cough but no one else around them ever does. In those cases, I would attribute it to scarring in the respiratory tract or possibly an asthma or allergy issue.

Mary Cody · #25 08/26/08, 06:31 PM

I have 2 ND's that have had the cough. took them to the vet, treated for cocci, checked for other worms.. all OK.. he said the cocci caused the coughing. one month later, they are still coughing.. Called the vet and told him and he just said there might have been some scarring.. I just gave them the second shot of LA200 36 hours apart and will give them the third. I hope this clears them up. He also thought they might have had Pneumonia before I bought them and that may have scarred them. I have 12 goats and these are the only 2 that cough. we will see what happens..

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #26 08/26/08, 07:24 PM

I just gave them the second shot of LA200 36 hours apart and will give them the third.
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Mary this type of treatment would do nothing. The life of tetracycline in the blood would be gone at about 18 hours to 24 hours, so if you don't repeat the shot before then, the bacteria you are trying to kill gets a foot hold again.

With goats quick metabolisims there is no long acting (the LA in LA200 which is for cattle). LA 200 also has this sting carrier it actually causes necrose to the muscle, think eating it so that it immediatly gets into the blood stream. We can't give over the counter antibiotics to goats in the muscle because their muscle mass is so small, but IM or SubQ you don't want to use this drug. There are many other 200 mg tetracyclines out there to choose for goats.

It's unlikely your vet checked for lungworm. Vicki

Mary Cody · #27 08/27/08, 08:20 AM

Vicki, Thank you for the info. How do you, or the vet check for lungworm? The vets around here just kind of brush you off when it comes to goats. I am thinking of selling off all my ND's and Pygmys and just raising Nubians. Seems like the smaller goats are always getting something or other. The Nubians seem healthier.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #28 08/27/08, 02:01 PM

The one and only time I had lungworm it was from a leased buck, we sent a fecal off to a lab for a bareman (something like that) test to be ran, my vet does not do this test. Yes he had lungworm so him and the does he was in the pen with for 21 days were treated with levamisole. Tested again, clear and took him the he!! home

Supposedly...I haven't tried this but you can take some of the snot under the microscope and see the eggs before they have hatched or the freshly hatched larve in the snot. Or you can take berries and let them completely dissolve, you don't want to crush them because it's not eggs in the poop from lungworm but the larve themselves that were swallowed when hatched in the poop if not sneezed out....so let them dissolve and then hold it up to a strong light and you can see the larve like fine threads in the water portion of the fecal float. Vicki

Mary Cody · #29 08/27/08, 06:47 PM

I have some levamisole, but they are large yellow bolus pills. I have a bolus gun, but I dont like shoving that down their throat.. what if I get it down the wrong pipe? can I melt them down and squirt it down their throat?

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #30 08/27/08, 07:03 PM

Or just use Ivermectin, but yes you can crush the pills, 1 per 50 pounds and give it orally. Vicki

Patt · #31 09/01/08, 04:47 PM

Umm Ok so the LA200 is bad? Wish I had known that before I bought it. Sigh.....

I don't know honestly I am about to put them all in the freezer and be done with goats. I have dosed them with everything known to man and my Vet is no help. I still have 3 with coughs, some days they are better, some worse.

Wildwood thanks for the web link! We'll have to go by there.

Patt · #32 09/01/08, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoofinitnorth

Are the coughs waxing and waning or spreading to previously unaffected animals? I have met a few goats that just cough but no one else around them ever does. In those cases, I would attribute it to scarring in the respiratory tract or possibly an asthma or allergy issue.

Yes to both.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #33 09/01/08, 08:25 PM

Patt, have you done a fecal yet? Having part of it sent in for lungworms or just worming for it...reread all the posts but didn't see where you have said what you have actually done. Vicki

Patt · #34 09/01/08, 11:51 PM

I put them on the cocci feed, wormed with Ivomec, used Procaine antibiotics and the LA200 like it was mentioned earlier. No fecal didn't feel like wrestling with my Vet. The Ivomec should clear up lung worm and they all looked good on the FAMACHA chart so I assumed no intestinal worms.

Mary Cody · #35 09/02/08, 07:30 PM

Funny thing happened after the second LA200 shot.....neither goat is coughing! What do you know.... that worked! I was afraid of giving them the third shot, and just waited...

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #36 09/02/08, 08:49 PM

Mary by not finishing the course of antibiotics you have a very good chance of whatever it was coming back....do that to many times and you will not longer have tetracycline working in your herd. Antibiotics have to be given in their series. You might want to start over and give the series. vicki