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Old 07/21/08, 07:30 AM
 
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Well if your a Vet advising not to use it could you tell us what we can use ?

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Old 07/21/08, 07:56 AM
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this is not vet advise, this is FDA rule
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Old 07/21/08, 12:33 PM
 
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From the name KCLEMENTSDVM I would assume the poster above me was a Vet .

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Old 07/21/08, 12:39 PM
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oh, i did not see that.

so, what would a vet recommend to reduce the incidence of a vaccination abscess or how to reduce the swelling that comes with it?
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If your vet gives you Brace that contains DMSO it's of course extra label use. If we only used things that were on label for our goats our goats would look like crap. Espcially what a government agency knows about dairy goats they think they are sheepandgoats aka....hair sheep. Vicki
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Old 08/07/08, 02:44 PM
 
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Hey there! Sorry to have taken so long to respond. (Things have been really busy at work lately, so I haven't been able to spend much time on the boards. Working my way back through today.)

Yes, I am a vet, and I do understand that most stuff used in goat medicine is used off label (frequently also known as extra-label). There is still a difference between extra-label and what I call "against-label." Some things are not labeled for use in goats - often just meaning that the company did not deem in worth their while to go through all the testing to get FDA approval for that drug in that species. After all, they have to juggle cost of the process versus likely income from that approval. So we don't have a lot of drugs that are labeled for sheep and goats. For something that is not banned for use in food animals, we can extrapolate from other species and use it "extra-label." Usually we'll give a longer withdrawal time to be safe, so that the owner avoids residue problems with meat or milk.

The difference here is for something that is actually banned for use in food animals. DMSO, gentocin, chloramphenicol, and bute are just a few examples. I can use those drugs freely in horses (though I still write "not for slaughter" when I dispense those drugs to horse owners - basically a CYA), but I am prohibited from using them in a food animal.

So for lumps on a client's food-producing animal, I recommend sticking a needle in it and aspirating to see if there is any pus. If yes, then I lance and drain the abscess, possibly also giving antibiotics if the animal has a fever. If not, then I recommend hotpacking twice daily for 15 minutes if tolerated.

Yep, I know that the DMSO works great, and I know that soem food animal clients get it and use it anyway, but it's illegal in food animals. Not my rule - that's the FDA's rule, because of residues in food going for humans. And I value my license.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.
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Old 08/07/08, 07:48 PM
 
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I switched from Bar-Vac to Essentials 3+T (Colorado Serum) and haven't had a problem with granulomas. I do have a doe that had a granuloma for over a year - I didn't give her the shot, so I don't know what happened there. I see a lot of them though because people don't inject the vax properly.

Another reason Bar Vac vs E3+T difference is the carrier.

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