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Old 06/18/08, 12:17 PM
 
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It seems there are also people reading this thread (like the original poster, for example) who are interested in knowing what they can get away with.

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If you tell people it is for animals only will this keep a person out of trouble?
Not to get completely off topic, but there are plenty of laws that we all break everyday because we don't believe they are justified. For me, this is one of those laws.

I posted the link above, because, through my own research, it was the only place I could find out the legalities of selling milk in my state. I wasn't trying to promote false information, and I wonder why it's so difficult to even find the laws dictating the sell of raw milk?
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Some interesting websites:

http://www.realmilk.com/

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/
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Thanks everyone for the replys. Personally I think it is sad that a person cannot sell raw milk if people want it. As i said we do not sell milk and probably will not ever do so. I was just curious if it was legal to sell for pet food. Thanks for all the links and the info.
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Oh I know you didn't post false info/link on purpose. One would think USA Today would be more accurate on what they print. I always try and research laws like that on the .gov sites and they chould make all this info more accessible.

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It seems there are also people reading this thread (like the original poster, for example) who are interested in knowing what they can get away with.

Not to get completely off topic, but there are plenty of laws that we all break everyday because we don't believe they are justified. For me, this is one of those laws.

I posted the link above, because, through my own research, it was the only place I could find out the legalities of selling milk in my state. I wasn't trying to promote false information, and I wonder why it's so difficult to even find the laws dictating the sell of raw milk?
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Ohio has been a hot spot for the raw milk debate in recent years, so it is not as easy to get away with making raw milk available to those who want it as it was before the fight came here.
Some of the rules have been adjusted and the way they decide to interpret them have changed as well.
A good group for following the raw milk issue in Ohio is the OhioWAPF group on Yahoo!
If you are small and sell to locals, your chances are slim of getting caught. It is a risk and you have to decide for yourself if it is worth it.
The Amish gentleman was co-erced into accepting money in trade for the gallon of milk.
I know of a family selling raw milk in this area. They will probably never get in trouble for it because they are Amish and they simply don't go around advertising it and it is a select groups of purchasers. That's cow's milk though.
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I posted the link above, because, through my own research, it was the only place I could find out the legalities of selling milk in my state. I wasn't trying to promote false information, and I wonder why it's so difficult to even find the laws dictating the sell of raw milk?
I was referring to OP's conversation with a stranger who told her what the lady down the street was doing. The link you posted is a good starting point for anyone interested in raw milk availability.

I totally understand the need to use all the loopholes available but it's always best to know - for sure - you are within the law - or at the very least within the "grey" area of the law If you don't, then you do open yourself up to fines, lawsuits and possible jail time depending on the complaint...and yes, if you don't pay a fine you can be sentenced to jail and yes, if a person wins a lawsuit against you - you can lose your property, livestock and all your money...the chances are slim this will happen but there is still a chance.

We're currently working on being able to sell raw milk - legally - that doesn't mean that we will not look for every loophole available but at the same time a $13.00 gallon of milk is not worth losing everything we own because a "friend of a friend" told us it was okay to sell KWIM?

It is difficult to find information about what is and is not legal when it comes to raw milk we ended up contacting the owners of Grade A dairy's in our state and talked to them about the permit process and we joined the FTCLDF which has been a tremendous help...the information IS out there and it IS possible in most states to "sell" raw milk either outright or through loopholes.

Good luck to everyone who wants to sell!
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If you are serious about going legal, grade A then go to the source. Don't be listening to anyone, you have to use the inspector who will be inspecting your facility, because there are no set in stone laws for goats milk facilities, they are interperted off of cow dairies. So the inspector in your area will carry the most weight of anyone you talk to.

The point is, nobody asking this question on this forum is going to be selling enough milk to be caught unless they advertise or make it into something and sell it. Sure it is illegal, and so is all the off label uses of every wormer and drug you will use on your farm for the goats Vicki
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I personally don't care who sells raw milk to anyone for any purpose - more power to both sides, I love raw milk - but a statement was made about raw milk being allowed to be sold for pet food and a link was posted that gave false information. There are people reading this thread wanting to know what is actually allowed by law, not what you can get away with doing.

Delinda, I tried to find the Tennessee laws on the subject but couldn't find anything.
Interestingly enough.........one of the people with the ODA told me that it IS legal to sell raw goats milk here in Ohio for the purposes of making soap!!!

I talked to an attorney about the idea. He said that if I knew that they were consuming it.....even if I had a label that specified that it was strictly for making soap and not for human consumption.........then I could be held liable for selling raw milk for human consumption.

IMO.......if someone wants to consume raw milk, then the government has NO BUSINESS interfering with their personal lives!!!!!!!
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I totally agree!!!! Wouldn't that against one of our constitutional rights, like the pursuit of happiness or something?


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IMO.......if someone wants to consume raw milk, then the government has NO BUSINESS interfering with their personal lives!!!!!!!
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Ironically, I just got information locally that it is in fact legal to sell GOAT milk for pet comsumption by only labeling the container as such and including the name of the person selling it. This is only for goat milk, though. Apparantly the laws requiring a license were for cow milk due to the antibiotics or some such. I haven't seen the actual law regarding this, this information is just through a person I know who knows someone who had a conversation with someone from the ODA regarding this issue. So take it for what it's worth...
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