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  #41  
Old 07/15/08, 09:16 AM
 
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Oh! I have those too! They are in the same order: 5 year old Ober, 2 year old FF Ober, 2 year old FF Nigerian.

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Thank you!
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Old 07/15/08, 09:53 PM
 
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HollyBearFarm, I'll stick with the ND since that's what I'm used to looking at and my connection is REALLY slow here.

How many hours full is she? About how many pounds does she give you in a day? How many times per day do you milk? How fresh is she (months)? How many kids did she have? How many does, how many bucks?

You don't have to answer this but I ask because they are things we all think about when evaluating udders. Gives us a little background.

The angles are always hard to get right but it appears that your girl doesn't have much rear udder. Ideally we like to see 1/3 behind the leg, 1/3 hidden by the leg, and 1/3 in front of the leg. Again, it could be the angle.

This newbie's guess is that she needs a better medial to be able to correctly pull those teats more plumb (perpendicular to the ground or to her abdomen). This makes her easier to milk because you aren't misfiring when you aim for the bucket. I didn't go back and look at the rear udder shot, but look for teats that don't splay outward either.

She looks to have nicely sized teats with good length and plumpness, though. How are her orifices? Is it easy to express the milk or do you have to expend more effort to empty the teat? Sometimes you only know this by comparison with another doe that has differently-sized orifices. If you've ever milked a blown teat you know easy orifices (but they feel like a rubber balloon).

I personally like an udder that blends a little better into the abdomen but I'm not sure how much that changes as the goat matures, if at all. I don't remember her escutcheon, but you want a high, rounded opening so look for one that has very little space between the top of the udder and the bottom of the vulva, avoiding a teepee or inverted V shape. This does change as the goat matures and refreshens so don't lose hope if your doe starts out this way, she may improve.

For me it's laterals, laterals, laterals. Seems most of the NDs up here need better laterals, but then again, will I ever be satisfied in that department? lol One of my girls has laterals that go a decent way down the leg but that seem to be looser or longer than necessary so they don't come into play until she is very, very full. For my girl, I would like to see them a bit farther down the leg but shorter so they can support that udder!

Anyway, that's a start. Hopefully others will give you more.
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  #43  
Old 07/15/08, 10:11 PM
 
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And yes, laterals, like many other things, are carried genetically so pick a pair that will throw strong laterals.

One of my mentors has a *theory* that a well-attached scrotum indicates the buck may throw good laterals. She's been testing that theory for a short while...

Here's a great site she shared with me - shows how an udder (and the doe carrying it) changes as she matures: http://dragonfly.jmkarohl.com/pages/FirstUdders.html
Oh Isnt this funny, your mentor and my mentor are friends..LOL! In fact, I have Joanne on my list to someday soon get a doeling from in order to bring some new genetics to my herd! Small Nigerian world, eh?? heck really its a small goat world!

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Old 07/15/08, 10:34 PM
 
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I would pick the 5 year old over the 2 year oldm, only for the udder look. The older doe blends much better and the shape is better then the younger doe.

Patty.
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Old 07/16/08, 01:02 PM
 
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Yup, the 5 year old is a show goat who was retired due to a slight underbite. She is a wonderful goat...very, very, very loyal and super sweet. She's also a consistent milker. I think I will try to milk her through this winter.

Heather, you have given me SO much to research about my ND! I really appreciate it. I have "The Illustrated Standard of the Dairy Goat" coming from Hoegger, so hopefully that will give me a better idea of what I'm looking at. Again, this goat is just a pet that we started milking, and I have no idea what I should be seeing in a ND. I keep comparing her to my Obers (because I know that they are good) but I'm not sure which differences are bad and which are due to differences in breed.

Does that even make any sense? My two year old is talking and I'm typing at the same time, so I might be a little incomprehensible this morning.

Stacie
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Old 07/16/08, 11:51 PM
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Rose, if your babies can't keep the doe cleaned out pen them up, let them suck twice daily all they want and then milk out the rest. Save some milk for midday and offer it to them in a bottle. This method works pretty well to keep a doe cleaned out and to keep the kids full and friendly.
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Old 07/17/08, 12:06 AM
 
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Yep, there are some great folks out there but not many of them! Treasure the mentors you find, especially the ones that are graceful enough to answer our silly questions!
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Old 07/17/08, 06:55 PM
 
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Amen to that Hoofinit! I SO appreciate my mentor as well as learning here.

This info is just facinating!! Pictures and understandable explanations.Great teaching tools.
I'd love to post pics of a couple of my Boers to gross ya'll out but I havent figured out how to unload the camera.
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