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the black & tan doe is Carla (also due in July) in the pic she was about a week from kidding as a second f. I actually like her udder better now as a 4th f
again not the best pic, but this is Charlotte.. FF, day 2 on one of the milkstands .(2 days fresh, a week shy of her first birthday, kidded twin does)
--- again they are just fun shots around the farm. We don't show, we breed for nice home milkers. I will not keep a doe that milks less then a gallon a day by her 2nd ff. Most here milk between 10 & 11 lbs a day, by the 2nd year.
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Thank you! This thread is a great udder lesson. 
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05/28/08, 05:08 AM
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While we are on the subject. This doe is 4 and this year she is giving me 6lbs + every morning and almost 6lbs at night. No milk in her bloodlines just a mutt.
What do you think. Keep her doeling?
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05/29/08, 08:53 PM
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No Steff, you should send her doeling to me! 
I learned so much on this thread.
Yep, I learned every one of my girls has a not so good attachment. 
I was thrilled they had a good size teat for hand milking. Well....I learn daily. I guess that is what counts.
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05/30/08, 05:55 PM
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mamajohnson:I learned so much on this thread.
Yep, I learned every one of my girls has a not so good attachment.
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I learned the same thing about my jersey heifer when she FF, turns out she produces 54-56# daily, and i thought yeah great, but I was told by the vet and other people she won't be in for the long haul, cause her ligaments will break down faster cause she has so much milk...but she'll be here until the very end!
trust me the teats on you girl are definately bigger than the ones on my heifer LOL
I am jealous! lucky dog!
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The babies are growing and nursing more, but she is getting lopsided by the end of every other day. We milk down the big side and get not quite a quart when it's down to the same size as the left. A nice bonus for just trying to keep things even. 
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Originally Posted by Rose
The babies are growing and nursing more, but she is getting lopsided by the end of every other day. We milk down the big side and get not quite a quart when it's down to the same size as the left. A nice bonus for just trying to keep things even. |
Awesome....sounds like she will do her sire and dam credit. She was one I had picked to save for the dairy when we were milking......sounds like my instincts were on the mark on her milkability. Congrats!
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Originally Posted by steff bugielski
While we are on the subject. This doe is 4 and this year she is giving me 6lbs + every morning and almost 6lbs at night. No milk in her bloodlines just a mutt.What do you think. Keep her doeling?
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Breed her to a good buck and keep those milky bloodlines!
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geez, I really have probably the goat with the ugliest udders, pics as soon as my phone charges 
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i hope this thread keeps going, i am learning tons! thanks!
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Great thread! Do you find one breed more than another has overall better udder attachment or is it all genetics? Are there other factors in or the lack of udder/teat structure?
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Wow! What a great thread! I'll post pics of my girls tomorrow...I can't wait to get you guys to critique my ND's. They are just pet goats that I started milking, so they aren't papered or anything.
I LOVE this forum!
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I acttualy just started milking a second freshener that I almost got rid of because of her udder. Last year she had a single . I milked her for a full 10 months but she was not giving me very much at all but she did have a nice round udder but very small. This year she kidded with twins and I have just locked them up at age 2 weeks for the night. She has got 5+ lbs every morning and such a nice udder. I will try to get pics tomorrow.
As for breed I can't help, mine are all grade goats.
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I have a FF with a single kid - the kid (12 days old) is nursing one side only, so I am milking the other side, but only once a day. I also milk out the side the kid uses, but don't get much (a few squirts). the side I am milking has bagged up a little, but the kid's side barely has any swelling to it. I see him eat and he is strong and growing, but he doesn't let the milk build up I guess. So my doe is lopsided. "my" teat has gotten larger too.
Should I be milking out more often?
and if I am getting just over 2 lbs a day out of my side with the one milking, is she going to be a low producer? Her udder is so tiny I can't believe it holds a quart on that side - or maybe she just looks small because she is really well attached?
she's a grade. a 4 y.o. "sterile" grade we thought - so anything we get from her is a bonus
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Okay, here are my girls. Educate me.
The first pic is a five year old Oberhasli. She is five months fresh and gives about 3/4 of a gallon a day.
http://targetphoto.kodakgallery.com/...vfolderid=2008
This one is a two year old Oberhasli first freshener. She gives between 1/2 and 3/4 of a gallon a day. This is a terrible picture, BTW. I promise her udder isn't really all lumpy...it's just the light. Oh, she's also four or five months fresh.
http://targetphoto.kodakgallery.com/...vfolderid=2008
This third one is a two year old Nigerian Dwarf first freshener. I get less than a quart a day from her, but I only milk her in the morning. Her nine week old doeling is still on her.
http://targetphoto.kodakgallery.com/...vfolderid=2008
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Boy that's one thing a LOT of us forget about - a good udder hides it's milk WAY up in there. My little WhipserSweetly has an amazing little udder. She packs away nearly 4 pounds milk in that thing every day but you'd never guess it. It's high and tight and very lateral vs. vertical, just like her aunt (and probably like her mom, but I didn't get to see her dam). We did milk test last night and my tester couldn't believe all the milk that comes out of that little doe!
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And yes, laterals, like many other things, are carried genetically so pick a pair that will throw strong laterals.
One of my mentors has a *theory* that a well-attached scrotum indicates the buck may throw good laterals. She's been testing that theory for a short while...
Here's a great site she shared with me - shows how an udder (and the doe carrying it) changes as she matures: http://dragonfly.jmkarohl.com/pages/FirstUdders.html
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Lololol!!!!
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Ha, Vicki! Did your dad's family jewels hang a little high? lol
It's her theory, not mine, and it is just a theory. But if you think about it, we're merely talking about the skin that attaches between the udder or scrotum and the rear legs. 
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07/14/08, 11:59 PM
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Don't forget your side shots of udders, everyone. They are vital to really evaluating an udder - so much of us get stuck on the rear-only shots!
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