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Old 12/31/07, 07:42 AM
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vicki, this is not explained with intelligence but with chemical changes in the body of the animal if there is an over load with parasites. if larvae are arrested outside, it has to do with the temperature. low temp slows all life forms down. i bet in the warm barn bedding, nothing arrests because of the temp and humidity. it certainly doesn't has anything to do with intelligence.

steff there must be a reason this doe is not eating. i doubt there are animals we can call anorexic. has your vet checked her WBC or blood sugar? something must be off.
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Old 12/31/07, 08:04 AM
 
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Could there be some kind of dental problem? Cracked tooth? Infected gums?

What about a gut damaged from cocci when she was young?
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Old 12/31/07, 09:01 AM
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You need to make sure her gut is healthy, have you given probiotics? Yeasts as mentioned before? Do you have any browse for her? Pine needles, cedar etc?

Sounds like her stomach is sick to me, she doesn't want to eat because her stomach is sour and she just bloats when she does. Can't blame her. You need to fix that problem if at all possible, first place to start is to make sure she has the needed gut population, with probiotics (kefir is great as vicki mentioned, if you have it) and the cud too. Then make sure she is eating foods that are good for the rumen. The hay is good, is she eating it well. And browse, the variety in foods is good for them and will excersize their rumen.

The corn and calf manna aren't good for her stomach situation, but I understand you are in a pickle with her being pregnant, so you need to do everything else you can to help her stomach to be strong as possible. Probiotics daily if it were me.

I don't think it would be a dental problem or you wouldn't think she'd want the corn either. And that wouldn't cause the bloat would it?
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Old 12/31/07, 11:00 AM
 
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Steff, I agree to look into her teeth and upper digestive tract. Also, can you make her a mash and see if she'll eat it? A few alfie cubes or pellets in warm water, soaked just until soft, still warm, fed right away. With horses we try a little applesauce or something on top to entice her to eat it but I'm not sure that's ok for goats. ???

Hmmm... I went back and re-read your original post here...

Well crud, there was some stuff I read and heard at a recent CALF management presentation about how a COW will have trouble gaining weight through pregnancy, etc. if she doesn't go in in tip-top shape, etc. I can't recall all the limitations but I wouldn't cull her until you get her through kidding and see if she improves or if you can't resolve that hardware issue concern.

Have you taken her temperature lately? I'd advise doing that for a few days and keeping records of it to see if it moves much in correlation with meals, weather, etc. The comment about possible hardware disease bothers me though... Is the vet just afraid to xray a pregnant doe to confirm?? No xray available? Something else??

Have you tried to treat the bloat any other way besides administering oil?

Why were you concerned about too much protein? Was it because of the soybean meal & Calf Manna she WILL eat? Something else?

Can you get a different kind of hay or the same kind from a different source? Look for one that might be more palatable to her??

This doesn't help you much for a goat but incidentally, I had a cat go off his food suddenly. This cat never missed a meal in his life prior to this. There are many reasons an animal can go off their food and even appear to be "anorexic" but for him, it turned out to be a weird infection (likely related to a nasal polyp that won't stay away and is a direct entry portal for bacteria, etc. because of it's location). His kidneys started to shut down and he was severely dehydrated. We administered SQ fluids and forcefed him for a week, adding a big-boy antibiotic at the vet's instructions. He improved greatly but he's still very thin and now I believe he is anemic from blood loss due to a recent change in the polyp. So he goes back to the vet again this week for a new procedure to try to stop this awful cycle. It was also mentioned that he could have a stomach ulcer that is irritated by the blood he swallows from his polyp or even food. We have tried giving 10mg famotadine (like Pepcid) daily to help but it hasn't seemed to make a difference so we doubt that's the issue. However, it's why I suggested looking at your girl's upper digestive tract. I KNOW goats are not cats, it's just an anecdote to try to get us thinking outside the box (goat). Would an infection or possible kidney issue cause a goat to go off her feed like this?
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Old 12/31/07, 12:37 PM
 
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I have some goats that will not eat Alfalfa pellets. Poulin makes a forage extender that has soy bean hull , alfalfa and a bit of molasses . My girls will eat this . Its 16% protein. See if she will eat tums fromyou ...it will help increase her calcium .

Has she always been a pickie eater ?

I know you use herbal wormers but have you tried a chemical one ? I am sending soap in the a.m. by the way . I have been without a truck.

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make a slurry and see if she will slurp it up. might make a difference if the problem is that is hurts to chew for some reason.
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For those who who might be interested, She delivered two bucks yesterday. Both small but ok.
She had another choking type episode while in labor. As I massaged her throat I felt something crusty. I checked her throat and found a open soar. She usually gets a lump down towards her chest, this sore is up under her chin between her tassles. It was oozing and festered. The smell, once the scab came off was horrible. I will be putting her down today. She has nothing left. I will cut her open to see if I can find anything.
Thanks to all who sent their thoughts and advice.
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Old 01/07/08, 06:21 AM
 
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Could she have had cl ? Sorry you losy her .

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Old 01/07/08, 06:34 AM
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sorry for your loss

I have been following your story and am so sorry to hear this I had hope it would work out for the best but not all do as I have learned not that long ago I lost 1 of the first does I started with which was hard for my children and I. I hope the 2 little bucks do well for you.
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