Help Now.. My Buck Is Not So Good...

Susanne, I did give the vit b complex as 6 cc as SQ... It didnt help. So I guess it is not polio... I dont think it is rabies. I mean my goats are fine and everything. It is just hard to say.. But i really think most likely that he was stress out from moving up there and MIL give alfalfa hay to him. I really think it made things worse and caused him to have listerosis. I dont know.. I have no idea..

Goatkid I did give La200 to him... I did give vit b complec shots and probios. But it just he cannot swollow.. It is like he was paralized from his tongue. U know. It was like hanging out. It just weird looky... I did give charcoal to him also.. I guess I did try my best... It is frustrating...

Listeriosis is not always a herd wide problem. It is more likely to be due to what can cause it (mold is the biggy).
We have over 100 head of goats currently. We had our third case of Listeriosis a little less than a month ago. The first two cases were 6 years ago. That was a management issue in that case. Our first experience with Literiosis. I determined the possible causes and eliminated those from the diet. I had to have the first doe killed because I did not treat her early enough. The second kid to become ill was caught early, treated aggressivley, and survived.
This last case, I was really surprised and it took me awhile to figure it out. I figured it out with the help of others more seasoned than I.
He pulled through despite my assuming we'd lose him. It took a whole lot work though...and lots and lots of shots and supportive care. Without the supportive care he would have died.
I would be very surprised if any of our others ended up with Listeriosis this year or anytime soon. I couldn't believe we had another case.

It can be isolated. Some goats are just dumber than the rest...lol They nibble or eat stuff they shouldn't.

Listeriosis can be a one goat thing...especially with the drastic feed changes he would have experienced.

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Sorry to hear your news. I will be hoping that he has thrown you a son somewhere in your girls

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I lost a wether to listeriosis 2 summers ago and he could not swallow either. He would try to drink by shoving his whole face in the bucket but couldn't work his jaw. I squirted some molasses/corn syrup into his mouth and it just ran out. When he tried to browse he would put his mouth over the plant but couldn't close it. His head was tilted sideways the day before I put him down. None of the other goats were affected.

I believe that I had him turned around but stopped the Pen too soon.

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I don't think this is always the case. We started with 14 goats 4 years ago and lost one to listeriosis. We keep things really clean, no bad feed or hay.

Did weeks of reading on listeriosis after we lost this one. Listeria bacteria is in the environment. Goats are exposed to it everywhere, but in most cases their immune system can fight it off. If their immune system is compromised in some way, either from birth or from some other illness, they can become infected. One article even said that they noticed a peak in cases at 1 year old, and they speculated that was because they start cutting adult teeth then, and the bacteria can enter through broken blood vessels in the gums. The treatment is long and time consuming, and sometimes they are still left with permanent brain damage if you don't catch it soon enough.

This wether was 1.5 years old when he got it. I think ours had a circulation problem from birth (maybe a bad heart valve?) because he never did act or look right from the time we got him (at 3 mos). Sort of puffy and sluggish.

I believe the incubation period is *at least* 10 days, so maybe your buck was having early symptoms of the infection, and that's why he wasn't interested in the girls.

I'm really sorry you lost him. I know how upset you are. It still bothers me about ours, and that was over 2 years ago.

Thank u all.. I appericate it.. That helps me a lot. Becuz It is my first experince. U know.. Anyways. My hubby is very concerned about me.. Becuz My hand have some cuts... I am just being stupid becuz I didnt even think about it... I just open his mouth to see if anything stuck in there.. So what should I do ??? Should I get antibotic or not??? Becuz the book said that it is serouis and can cause problems for humans. I am worried about that.. So I need ur advice...

thanks for the correction. made me read up on it again

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I was wondering what should I do becuz I have cuts on my hands that I opened Monkey's mouth and treat him stuff... Everyone is really worry about me that I will get very very sick.. So Should I get antibotic or what???

Nancy_in_GA Nancy_in_GA.. Your qoute said ...I believe the incubation period is *at least* 10 days, so maybe your buck was having early symptoms of the infection, and that's why he wasn't interested in the girls.






Actually He was always been like that. He was never aggressive. He was like almost like gay.. U know what I mean. He was too gentle and too laid back. He would sniff on them then walk away and never push them and have raspberry lip thing going.. If the girls in the heat and he would come to them and breed them and after that he dont care about them anymore. That is all about he did... Well I let the girls go with him. He was so much happier that way...

It sound to me that he's wormy or anemic. Anemia would explain why the Vit. B would be helping him and why he keeps falling. The act. charcol would be helping more if it was a poisoning. I know you had problems with herbal worming on GW.

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The symptoms don't sound like listeriosis and they don't sound like rabies. They sound like poisoning. Exactly like poisoning. I'm sorry you lost him.

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Hello. GSFarm... Actually I havent been on herbal wormer for about almost a year. And I have been having problems ever since whenever I stopped the herbal wormer. The reason why I stopped becuz on GW was debating about the herbal wormer. And I wanted to show GW that look it works just fine for my goats and dont make anything big deal about it and I dont like pressure about the herbal wormer.. That why I have a lot of problems ever since. But that is okay.. I am getting ready go back to the herbal wormer becuz it works soo well for my goats.. But actually my buck wasnt anemic at all. He wasnt wormy either. I wormed all of my goats a month ago with cydentic...


Laura Jensen, It is not rabies. We got the result today from Missouri State. They said it is not rabies. So that rules out. The vet now know that it is actually listerosis. Becuz he was walking in circle and pressing his head on the corner wall.

Thank you all. But right now I really need to know if I SHOULD GET ANTIBOTIC FOR ME BECUZ I TOUCH MONEY'S DROOLY AND MY HAND HAVE SOME CUTS ON IT.. THAT WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.. Thank you so much..

Sorry, I guess I missed it earlier if you said he was circling. That is a Listeriosis symptom. You could google zoonotic and listeriosis and see what the method of transmission is to find out whether you need to worry about the cuts on your hands.

Here's one link, but I think I'd still call a nurse hotline and ask them:

http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices...osisManual.pdf

Although most human listeriosis appears to be foodborne,
other modes of transmission occur including from mother to child transplacentally or through an infected
birth canal, cross-infection in neonatal nurseries,] and rarely common-source outbreak.

Epidemiologically, it is likely that most cases of listeriosis are related to food-borne infection. A number of epidemics have been recognized related to cole slaw, milk, or soft cheese. Most cases of infection are sporadic.

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Thanks but i couldnt open the link becuz I dont have the program for adobe or something. Becuz my BIL erased everything becuz my computer was about to crash. UGH.. Sorry. I wish that I can get the informations... Thanks..

According to the link Laura Jensen posted, listeria is a food-born illness. Meaning you get it from eating spoiled food. It can also pass from mother to unborn baby.

If you're worried about the cuts on your hands, absolutely call a nurse hotline or go into the doctor to have them looked at. But you probably don't have to worry about getting listeriosis that way.

I'm awfully sorry about your sweet boy.

Thank u Jen H... We are going to call the vet tomorrow becuz the poeple from pharmacy said so. Oh well. Thank u so much. I appericate ur help..