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Old 11/20/07, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Milk n' Honey
Can you just band the end of horns on a goat with crazy horns that always gets stuck in the fence? What I mean is, will just the part above the band come off or does it have to go closer to the goats' head? I'm tired of pulling this one goat out of the fence and I'm afraid she'll wind up freezing to death this winter if she gets stuck and I don't reach her in time. Thanks!!

I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!! giggle (I NEVER have the answer!! But today I know the answer!!!! grin)

Cut a piece of PVC pipe about a foot long. Catch the doe and use electrical tape (its stretchy and works MUCH better for this) to tape it across her head to her HORNS. She will NOT be able to get her head through woven wire fence anymore. The only problem with this is that you WILL have to retape the pipe across her horns every couple of months. But its AWESOME!!! (It lets you relax and breath when you havent been able to because the goat is THE DUMBEST GOAT ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET!!! (okay....I'm sure that's just my Shata. grin. She IS the dumbest goat though. giggle)
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Old 11/21/07, 09:05 PM
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I have banded entire crops of kids...and I simply will not do it anymore. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but the bottom line for me was that I rarely ever wound up keeping a doe that had had her horns banded, because they were nearly always headshy afterwards. They lost weight due to being nervous about inserting their heads into feeders, and there were lots of adrenaline provoking bleeding incidents (cayene pepper is a great make-shift bloodstop powder).

And the whole thing is, the results were highly variable. A lot of the does were not show worthy without additional trimming of their horn stubs, and sometimes the horns grew back. The buck's horns didn't fall off at all, too large for the bands.

In my opinion, it is a lot easier to simply butcher them all and wait to do it right the next year, or if there is an especially irreplaceable doe, use a saws-all tool to saw and cauterize in one very brief, controlled operation that will be all over with reliable results within 5 minutes or less and no weight loss.

One thing I have found over the years is that I wasted an awful lot of money on goats that just weren't worth it- the time, the money, the space, the disease risk.... Get good registered stock that has been disbudded already, paying what will seem like an exorbitant price, and save yourself loads of dough in the long run. Send the horned nannies to the sale barn. My .02 !
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Old 11/22/07, 04:26 AM
 
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I have banded some with good results. I definately recommend disbudding kids over waiting and banding, but the banding can work. I have found that it works best for goats over 6 months and younger than 18 months old. I always apply two bands to each horn, as low as possible.

I highly recommend not doing this, unless you have a disbudding iron on hand. The horns get loose, a couple of weeks before they actually come off. During this period of time, they can be knocked off by play or catching in a fence, but the blood supply isn't quite cut off. I have seen one goat that knocked her horn off after 2 weeks banded and we could tell her heartbeat by the gushing of the blood. A disbudding iron was all it took to stop the bleeding, but I wouldn't band a goat without the disbudding iron.

Anytime I have used this method, I always use a disbudding iron on the goat after the horns have fallen off. This really helps with the whole headshy thing, because it stops the pain sensation that the goat will have when the horns first come off. Also, insures that I do not ever have scurs.

This method is painful to the goat, but it is worth it to me. I have seen to many people (even on this list) that have had horned goats die due to getting stuck in fences.
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Old 11/22/07, 06:14 PM
 
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This is not for dehorning kids. Done young the horns simply grow with flat tops. Disbud or dehorn kids. I have used this on both scurs and full grown horns, it works very well. Vicki
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Old 11/22/07, 07:35 PM
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If you check out this link on my website you can see one that was done. I banded Blondie when I got her this spring. You can't tell she ever had horns.

http://www.geocities.com/weiskids/Pygmies.html
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