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08/29/07, 04:22 PM
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what's "bumping" mean?
Starting 7 weeks before a due date, I start to feel the belly floor in front of the fore udder of the doe for kicking kids. I just spread my hands on the stomach area for a few minutes. Then a few weeks later I feel the sides of the doe for kicking. Are you doing this?
What I am "looking" for in your pictures is symmetry. Symmetry is babies, asymmetry is rumen.
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08/29/07, 05:11 PM
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My guess? No. I'm not going on how fat she looks (I've had a PB Alpine doe that would get that fat on just pasture), but on the vulva and udder/teats. Just doesn't look like anything is developing there at all. However, they can fool you!
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08/29/07, 06:18 PM
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Big rumen gals
Here's my big question mark. She snuck into the buck pen back in early April, but she had just kidded and I don't think she was in there long enough for the boys to realize she was there... She's still nursing a 6 month old doeling (you can see her in the front left a bit). She looks like she's carrying triplets even when not preggo...I'll get a closer hind end shot later
What do you guys think?
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09/11/07, 03:31 PM
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OK, Jim. I have been off here for a while. What is the outcome? Does she look like she might be bred? Or do you have babies yet?
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09/12/07, 04:39 PM
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Sorry, I have not been able to take more pix. I am incredibly busy with launching a new magazine at work, and yadda yadda yadda...
I'm saying she is not preggers now. She is basically unchanged, and she has been alone with the buck in the barnyard since July. It looks like curtains for her at this point.
I'll get pix if I can get to it.
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10/08/07, 10:11 PM
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Hey Jim, sorry if I missed it somewhere else, but I was wondering what happened/is happening with this doe? Did you whack 'er? Is she preggers? ...............
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10/08/07, 10:48 PM
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Yes, Jim, enquiring minds want to know? Is she meat or mama, lol?
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10/09/07, 10:19 AM
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LOL...really small changes. She is some heavier than in these pix (and that from just grass and browse) she walks ponderously like she should be preggers, but I really don't feel any hardness in her at all. No change I can see in the teats. She is not meat yet, but that's just because I have not sent off the last of my odds and ends yet. She'll be around until November.
My typical comment to her in passing is: "I wish to heck you were really pregnant, but I know you probably aren't." She was in with the buck all by herself July to Sept. 29, so if she can't get knocked up with those odds, she deserves the ride. That'd make late November her due date from July, up to a last possible date of Feb. 26.
Still looking at her every day for a reason to keep her. But I'm from Missouri on this one. She's gotta SHOW ME! DW says hands down she is open. But I still recall reading a column by an experienced and reputable Texas boer breeder who, wanting to go out of the biz, sold off all her goats except the very most elderly foundation does she had. She couldn't bear to part with those old gals.
Well, she had posted to her Web site how fat her pampered grandmas were getting, lounging around in retirement and getting fed treats all the time. Yet, lo and behold, she found out to her surprise that Grandpappy Billy had got to them somehow, when one day the kids started arriving out of nowhere.
Now this was an experienced breeder, and she got fooled, so ya never know. I'm still just kinda watching, even as DW urges me to sell her while she looks preggers, and get more out of her! LOL.
So that's the news from Lake Woebegone...
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10/09/07, 10:23 AM
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thanks for the update, been thinking about the goat!
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10/09/07, 10:26 AM
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Thanks for the update Jim, still pullin' for her here, she needs to be preggers! lol
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10/09/07, 10:39 AM
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I really need to shoot y'all some more pix so we can play the game some more, but I am in the "getting ready for winter" phase on the farm right now, and really busy. October is always a busy month.
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10/09/07, 04:32 PM
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You know, I had TWO girls fool me this year.....Both only had singles, but both were doelings - which helped. Even fooled my breeder, who has been doing this 20 + years, and the linear appraisal guy.
Maybe there's hope!
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10/18/07, 08:47 AM
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10/18/07, 08:48 AM
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10/18/07, 09:26 AM
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Preggers--due in 7 weeks
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10/18/07, 11:36 AM
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i love the smile on her face  i think she is pulling your nose.
if this would be my doe, i would think very hard why she is an asset to my herd and worth $7.50 for a preg test. than i will know, don't need to guess and can act without loosing time and money 
i think this is a very nice doe.
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10/18/07, 11:46 AM
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Oh she's flaunting it! I vote YES
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10/18/07, 12:07 PM
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I have to say no... It kind looks like to me like she was bred a few days ago! but thats a guess.
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10/18/07, 01:31 PM
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You all DO realize we've been looking at the same goat butt for quite some time now, yes?
It's sad, really.
But it's what we do!
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10/18/07, 01:34 PM
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Two and a half MONTHS of the same goat butt...
*laughing out loud*
Lord, we are strange folks...
Thank GOD for farmers!
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