How long does it take to burst?

*Most* Cl abcesses start out just a lump, bump or knot under the skin. If you catch it early, its very small, just detectable by feel. It grows(at differing rates), and as it "ripens" it becomes softer and softer on top. The hair will eventually start falling off the top of it, and the skin will look flaky. At this point it is ready to burst and should be taken care of before it can if thats what you have decided to do. Some are *very* large, some may only be the size of a marble.
What you have described does not sound like a CL abcess or any type of abcess to me. But I'm not there and its not my judgement call. I would treat it with suspicion anyway.

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What you have described does not sound like a CL abcess or any type of abcess to me. But I'm not there and its not my judgement call. I would treat it with suspicion anyway>>>>

Yes, I agree and I am treating it with suspicion. And worrying myself over it. I don't know what "abscess" really means......this is like a pocket of something jiggly or squishy that sticks out. I didn't mean to hyjack your thread, Liz......

Did you find out what you were dealing with? How is your goat doing? I don't know what I would do in your situation -- except make sure the goat didn't have a fever in case it gets infected from ripping open. I hope you get some answers. This stuff is scary.

I lost a doe to polio last fall....and then had cocci......and then an abortion...and now this. I'm ready for some happy news. From me or anyone!

Dee

First my statement was "most" all goats will test positive for the antibody. I didn't make a blanket statement. If you had any knowledge of the blood test you would understand that it simply is a test for "at risk" factors.

and this is still wrong ken. i had talked to the wsu lab and uc davis, no problem to name my source here
you will get test results that read 1:8 negative, never exposed to the bacterium and than you get 1:8 pos. but since so low it still counts as negative. it only means they where exposed in one way or another with the bacterium. everything that goes higher than 1:8 is counted as positive.
all the animals i have tested are negative. if you don't mean most don't say it. it can be very misleading as to we don't care because they are positive anyway

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CL - If it is a hard lump, usually about the size of a quarter, and is located in the area of a lymph glad, it could be CL (Caseous Lymphadenitis)

Not ever lump and bump is going to be CL. A lump or bump can be other things such as a sting from a bee, bite from a dog or many other things. Everytime someone see a bump or lump come up first thing hits their mind is OH IT"S CL not true. If you have a clean herd how could you get CL?

Do you show your goats if so then you could have gotten CL.
Do you go and buy goats from a auction? If so then you might have gotten CL.
You can get CL from showing goats or by buying goats from a auction or other places such as if you bought goats from some else that has goats are they a clean herd? Someone that has a clean herd doesn't go buying from auctions or because they feel sorry for a goat. You can also get CL from Hay if you buy hay from a place that has had animals with CL. It take years to get rid of that crap. CL is a diease that isn't easy to get rid of.

If you have a goat that has a lump or bump on it that doesn't mean to jump on saying on my goat has CL the true and 100% way of knowing is when you lance the lump is to collect the pus and take it to the vet that knows what they are doing and what they are looking for. Not every vet is going to have the knowledge to know what to look for.

There are many different types of bumps that come up here is a few of them. Cheek abscesses,cud retention, salivary mucocele, tooth root abscess, and there are a few others.

A CL bump will be located in these areas: CL abscesses most commonly occur under the jaw and down the front of the neck and under the ears going down the neck.

GL with your goats.

This is a thread that will go on "ad nauseum" simply trying to scare people about the lumps.

Guess if I only had a few acres of land and some fancy show goats that were "negative" I'd try to spread fear in others to make my goats better than anyone else.

Goats are goats. Just because you tested "negative" today doesn't mean they won't test "negative" tomorrow...

You can test blood all you want and you will get different results on different days.

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it is not making my herd better but make people aware of diseases in goats that can be prevented. it makes me sick to my stomach how a lot of meat goat breeder play this disease down, treat the lumps with formaldehyde and bring this meat on our table.
thank you very much.
i tell you what, my herd will test negative again if i test tomorrow. i'm intending to keep it this way.

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Ain-ash-shams
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wow, I did not intend for my question to start such an argument.

I have read all the info in the sticky at the top of the site, I also own a couple of books on goats and the merck vet manual. I have read through several websites on Cl as well. My question was not asked out of ignorance of the disease but rather to find some info that was not covered clearly in any of the info I read.

As i stated the vet was not concerned, and gave me no info about bringing him a sample for testing. I would have if I had been given instructions on transporting such a sample. I did not think to do a sniff test for odor. When my finances allow I will see about having the state vet do a blood test for CL on both goats.

As for the doe she is healing very quickly. The hole is closing nicely. No oozing or bleeding from the site. I have been concered about fly strike but so far she seems to be in the clear there as well. The burns as have also scabbed over nicely. She is eating and drinking fine.

While my goats are a great sorce of joy for me, these will be only two I ever have. They will live the rest of their lives as pets. I will not pass them on to any one else.

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I have to agree with susanne. I have seen herds ravaged with CL. It is a horrible disease. I have seen breeders pass off CL infected stock, with huge softball-sized abcesses, toothpaste like puss dropping out all over the ground. This was all in the early 90's before internet sites like this one were available for education. Cl is something I defginately panic over...I have seen it.

My herd has tested neg. for CL and I aim to keep it that way. Therefore I ONLY buy from breeders who are paranoid and anal about testing their goats, isolating new stock and buying from other breeders who are like minded. It does not make my herd "better", it helps me sleep at night.

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Feral Nature Farm
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If someone has bought and sold thousands of goats over 20 years and has never bought from tested {neg} herds and has never had a case of CL they should play the lottery cause they are the luckiest person on earth! Now I will stop beating cause some people will always be right.


Patty

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