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02/13/07, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by caroline00
The goat breeders here say that the cattle pour on burns the goats throats if used everytime you worm.
What are your thoughts on that?
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Like I said, I have only used it once. Most the dewormers I use the goats fight me, but this one I thought she was going to go crazy because to me it smelled like keroseen, but she sucked it out.
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02/13/07, 04:04 PM
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Same as Lori, Cydectin is the first wormer I have every used that the goats do not hate, some love it, and yes the carrier is strong. I am only worming about 3 times of year, so knowing if it is burning their throat or not isn't even a consideration. And really, how would a goat tell you it has burned their throat? Having Nubians, if it hurt their throat it may make them less vocal...hmm simply yet another benefit of Cydectin  vicki
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02/13/07, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by caroline00
The goat breeders here say that the cattle pour on burns the goats throats if used everytime you worm.
What are your thoughts on that?
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Can't see how that would be since many of them will literally suck it out of the drenching syringe. Cydectin junkies!
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02/13/07, 05:12 PM
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My ADHD is bad today.
I need to start rotating wormers, not because my goats are resistent, but apparently everyone else's around here are (according to local goat friends).
I currently use Ivomec cattle injectable orally.
The dosage for Cydectin cattle pour on is orally 1cc per 25 lbs? Yes? Is that what I'm reading?
Please correct me if that's not it. Make it a SHORT message, all these novels posted today are wrecking havoc on me!
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02/13/07, 05:17 PM
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The thought is not to switch to a new wormer unless the old one is not working. If Ivermectin works for you do not switch. Once you go to cydectin there is nothing else to go to yet.
Patty
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02/13/07, 08:49 PM
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Errr, I was really hoping that if I wormed them before I moved with a two part dosing once about 12 days before I leave and then again a couple days before I leave with something that is supposed to be very effective, that maybe that would help me have a better chance to be rid of at least most of the parasites from here... Am I way off on this? It'd be nice if no one feels the need to point out how ignorant I apparently am, I can only go on the info I've been given (by vets and local goat people) or read online.
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02/13/07, 09:20 PM
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"but you do sound a bit sarcastic and defensive."
Not in the least of either. and yes some vets here in Texas have seen a few goats. My vet is older than me, has seen literally thousands of goats, maybe hundreds of thousands (yup, Texas has a lot of goats).
He will tell you in an instant that the only way to see what is there, and see what is working is to do Fecals. He hated to teach me, but he did even though it costs him money.
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02/14/07, 07:19 AM
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KayJay, sounds like you're doing a great job! You are doing exactly what I did as a newbie (I am still very much a newbie, I'm now just a well-informed newbie!). And what I still do now! I get as much information as I can from a variety of sources, weed out the sources that are less trust-worthy, sift and compare what is left---and then--- see what works for me and my goats! And then, I don't camp there, I remain open for more and perhaps better information that might come my way.
Yucca, okey dokey!
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02/14/07, 09:33 AM
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"Yucca, okey dokey! "
Thanks for understanding. I consider it much the same as my mini-pickup. All my friends say that 10W-30 oil is fine. Manual (and warranty) says only to use 5W-30 oil. Whom do I believe?? Well since the cost is essentially the same I will go with the manual. In many cases I trust the manufacturers knowledge and testing to figure out which product performs best in which circumstance. They have the ultimate product liability and in this case would not have wasted the additional funds and time getting a product certified and tested if it wasn't better.
As for the rumen, I would dispute what environment a healthy rumen actually is. The rumen is basically a large bacterial fermentation tank. Bacteria won't flourish and divide in a "basically dry environment". Sorry it just doesn't happen. Even molds which do function in a more or less dry environment need a significant amount of moisture to flourish. There may be a lot of dry matter put into the rumen, but there is significant moisture there too
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02/14/07, 10:14 AM
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Kay
where are you leaving?
we raised goats for 15 years in the Taft/Bakersfield area. So did my sis...she still lives there but doesnt have goats anymore.
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02/14/07, 11:10 AM
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I've butchered sheep that had obviously been drenched with Cydectin a few days earlier... The lining of their stomach was purple! I would think that proves that Cydectin pour-on doesn't ball up in the gut, is spreads and breaks down.
Bess
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02/14/07, 11:24 AM
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Also the carrier is made to stand up to rain not stomach acids !
Patty
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02/14/07, 05:46 PM
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basically dry environment".
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Actually quite dry...is what I said. There is a rumen cow at Texas A&M that they have a clear plug in, they can unscrew this and you can watch the rumen churning the grass/alfalfa hay over and over just like a front loading washing machine. If it was liquid, like most would think our stomach contents are, it would flood out. It is actaully quite dry. Saliva is added to the cud of course. They give you transplants of this when your ruminants have surgery. It's alot like moist lawn clippings, not the soaking wet swamp you would think. Vicki
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02/14/07, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by caroline00
Kay
where are you leaving?
we raised goats for 15 years in the Taft/Bakersfield area. So did my sis...she still lives there but doesnt have goats anymore.
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Caroline, I'm in Merced County (home of the 2nd worse air pollution in the country, go Merced County!), and about 2 1/2 to 3 hrs from Bakersfield.
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02/14/07, 09:11 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northeast Kingdom of Vermont
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Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians
basically dry environment".
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Actually quite dry...is what I said. There is a rumen cow at Texas A&M that they have a clear plug in, they can unscrew this and you can watch the rumen churning the grass/alfalfa hay over and over just like a front loading washing machine. If it was liquid, like most would think our stomach contents are, it would flood out. It is actaully quite dry. Saliva is added to the cud of course. They give you transplants of this when your ruminants have surgery. It's alot like moist lawn clippings, not the soaking wet swamp you would think. Vicki
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That certainly gives a better idea of why grain and especially cracked corn isn't the best food for a goat's digestive system.
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