Meat goats for Muslims

Country Doc · #41 01/04/07, 06:30 PM

This does not answer your question but the guy I was talking to that told me about the Muslim buyers told me his liability insurance for the auction barn is about $9000 a year. Doctors unfortunately know a fair amount about liability. There are several issues as I see it.

1. Can you afford liability insurance for the farm? I suspect not for most small goat sellers.

2. What can they get if they sue you. If you have nothing, they get nothing.

3. Defending a suit is very expensive even if you win.

4. To win a suit, the plaintiff has to convince a jury, you are negligent and award damages. I would think, if a Muslim buyer came to your place and insisted on doing the butchering himself and cut his hand, it would be a hard case for him to win. Just to be blunt, I think it would be hard for a Muslim to win much of anything in any case in America right now.

5. A lawyer take a case and gets a percentage of the award and his costs. In medical malpractice they get about 40-50% of the award. Most lawyers aren't going to take a case where they get a percentage of even a couple of thousand dollars. So if you are well off, have alot of assets , and do this as a hobby, I see greater risk than the small time homesteader since even if they win, they may not get much. In Texas, your house, retirement plan, 100 acres, 1 bull , 20 cows, and 40 chickens cannot be seized in a judgment.

6. Any lawyers are welcome to chime in here and correct any errors or ideas they don't agree with.

homebirtha · #42 01/04/07, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Country Doc

1. Can you afford liability insurance for the farm? I suspect not for most small goat sellers.

Liability insurance is not that expensive at all. I would suggest anyone selling any products off the farm look into it.

homebirtha · #43 01/04/07, 10:44 PM

I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to offend you with my question. I honestly was trying to explain that the prayer that is done before the butchering is very quiet and to themselves, much like grace before you eat. So to me, if someone is comfortable with one, they probably wouldn't find the other offensive. I'm really not trying to pick a fight here either. It just seemed that some folks were picturing some elaborate ceremony and ritual with chanting and naked dancing or something, so I was trying to clarify.

I should have made my answers to Shazza in a separate post, because I did find her to be very offensive, but I didn't take your questions as offensive. I'm sorry that I lumped you in with her in my answers.

If you are comfortable selling to people of other cultures, but don't want the Halal slaughter done on your property, my suggestion would be to try to find someone in the area who does a reasonably priced Halal slaughter and offer that to any potential Muslim customers. You may have to transport the goat for them (for a fee) after they pick it out, as they may not have a good way to move a live goat. We have a guy who does a lot of butchering on the side for various ethnic markets in this area. (He's actually Mennonite.) But he knows how Muslim customers want their animals done, how Mexican customers want theirs done, and how Jamaican customers want the oldest, smelliest bucks he can find, etc. If there is a big Muslim and Hispanic community in your area, I bet there are butchers who will do the goats for you. Ask around.

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Originally Posted by nduetime

please, please people just stop....I had a few valid questions regarding selling meat goats and only brought up religion as my basis for asking the questions. this is absolutely ridiculous. I am not contradiciting my self at all, if you knew me you would understand, but I am not going into all that again. Please just keep the thread to questions regarding selling meat goats. I sincerely apologize to anyone who has been offended or knows anyone that would have been offended, this is not what I was looking for. I will not continue to defend my self or my beliefs for what I want done on my own property just as anyone else here would have the same right. No more.

Shazza · #44 01/04/07, 11:04 PM

Homebirtha....have you or have you not, ever had a Muslim rock up to your farm and slaughter one of your goats on your property? and when did he pay you for it before or after the killing??

KSALguy · #45 01/04/07, 11:13 PM

i have had them butcher on my property before, and they pay before they butchering as they are buying a LIVE animal and doing their OWN butchering after.

silverbackMP · #46 01/05/07, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

I'm glad this thread is here because I was wondering something about selling to Muslim customers. If you have pigs on your place is it a deal killer?

That is a very good question and one I've been wondering about also. I want to have a decent sized pastured hog operation in the future but also want to raise cattle and either meat goats or sheep.

Country Doc · #47 01/05/07, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by homebirtha

Liability insurance is not that expensive at all. I would suggest anyone selling any products off the farm look into it.

Just make sure you are talking about business insurance not homeowners insurance. There is a difference. You don't want them to deny a claim. I am not saying you are wrong, but I would be sure.

full sun · #48 01/05/07, 03:42 PM

Wow, this is a very interesting thread. I've learned a lot. I just have dairy goats. But if I were to raise meat goats, I would definitely cater to a market that is so respectful of the animal and so thoughtful of the slaughter. I wish mainstream american had more of this attitude in their hearts and soul.

Jennifer