Meat goats for Muslims

I'm glad this thread is here because I was wondering something about selling to Muslim customers. If you have pigs on your place is it a deal killer?

if they have to do it the way we do it in the usa i am afraid they would probably have to eat beef or pork or chicken---know what i mean.

I hadn't thought about them killing the animal on my property. I don't have goats yet - but as I would like to cater to some of the more ethnic groups in my area (45 minutes west of DC - we are a wonderful mixing bowl of people) I am thinking of adding a "goat line" within the next year. I feel that it is too much of a need and a want to overlook it.

I would have to look at local laws about having people butcher on my property. I'm not even sure it would be allowed (heck I can butcher my own stuff - but I can't sell you anything - except poultry)

Of course then where WOULD they process them? Most people in this area in general do NOT live on any type of land at all and I can't see them doing it in the backyard of suburbia.

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Dana
Chicama Run

i think they kill it and leave every thing at your place (not sure tho) my biggest thing is what kinda liabilty if they cut themselves and how would ya get rid of the hides and guts ect ( i am sure the usda wouldnt be happy

In Maine there are plenty of Halal places to take the Boer goats to slkaughter. Goat farming is getting big up here.....MPillow.........
I had a Somali here at my house and when he heard I had a goat he perked up and told me if I ever wanted to breed her he could find me a male. But she is lamancha.....They might not like the earlessness. Her babies would be so sweet, anyway, hate to see them go to slaughter.

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1. I do not hate anyone nor would I ever be rude to someone else.
2. IMO allowing the practice of another religion on my property that goes against my faith is not an option. i would not be mean to someone because they are of a different faith, I say things politely.
3. My nephew was the thirteenth american killed in iraq. My Son-in-law has returned home with a disability but will be ok. They chose their occupations I do not blame all muslims or our president for anything.
4. If I invited a person of another faith to eat at my table I would expect they would say grace in their own way as would we.
5. The Christ love that you speak is here and alive. I do not dislike anyone for their different beliefs but that does not mean I have to be a part of them.

I hope this does not drift this thread into a religious battle, I really just want ed to know the answers to some questions I had. I bet others were probably wondering the same things. I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone.

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Trish

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Just keep moving...just keep moving!

I thought the following info would be informative.
I'd like to say this, if Christian, Jew and Muslim believe in ONE GOD
then when they pray they are praying to ONE GOD
How does it go against anyone's religion to allow
a person of another faith to pray on their property?

Also it's not only how it is slaughtered but how it was cared for
before slaughter.

It is not to be slaughtered in front of other animals
The knife must be sharp and not sharpened in front of the animal. There is so much more to this than you all may realize.
The animal must have been raised humanely, etc, etc

This is from a market stand point:

http://www.newfarm.com/features/2006...k/miller.shtml


INFO:
80% of the world's population eats goat meat regularly, yet the USDA doesn't list goat on their agricultural commodities roster. With 35 million foreign-born residents in the U.S., goat meat is a ripe niche market.

growing trend with direct marketing and on-farm sales to Muslims is allowing slaughter on the premises to fulfill Halal requirements. Halal food is defined by the laws of Islam and is very similar to the Jewish kosher laws regarding slaughter. For animals to be considered Halal, they must be humanely treated prior to slaughter, have their heads turned to the east, toward Mecca, and a prayer spoken while a very sharp knife is used to cut the throat.

Halal Meat

http://www.azhar.jp/info/halal-eng/halal6.html

I have more information if anyone would like it
please PM me. I can also provide a list of Mosques and
Halal meat markets in your area (most areas)
I feel if you raise your goats in a humane and clean way and
are honest, kind and caring one would have no problems
selling to Muslims.
If treated fairly and sold a good animal at a good price
word will get around.


One group my friends will NEVER again sell to are Phillipino's (sp)
she said when they came to her farm they forced a spiced drench of some sort down the goat kids throat while it screamed.

I too am just trying to find a market niche for my goats.

I would not want them to butcher on my property...but I don't let people butcher pigs, rabbits, or chickens at my house, either!

Sounds like the slaughter process is humane at least.

what ages do they usually want, and how much do they usually pay?

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When they buy my goats they take them alive, as does everyone else.
As for the prayer, even the hasidic who purchase milk and produce pray before taking a taste. I find it very inspiring and only wish I were that spiritual.
I often ask them to translate for me. It is interesting that the pray is specific to what they are eating.
Steff

I wouldnt allow it on my property Muslim or not..period.
And excuse me, but just because we are down under doesnt mean we arent also involved in things overseas and I am entitled to my opinion as others are.
Perhaps if events of devistation had not occured in recent times I may not have this opinion. I am sorry if I agree with the minority of this thread...so be it.

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2. & 4. You're contradicting yourself here. You say you WOULD NOT allow someone to practice another religion on your property, but you say you WOULD let them say grace at your dinner table. My point here is that the prayer said before a Halal slaughter is very similar to saying grace before eating. They are just thanking God for the animal before they kill it, rather then at the table before they eat it. (Although they probably do that too.)

So I don't get why one is ok and the other is not. But it's certainly your choice.

And to Shazza, you continue to make no sense. I find it sad when I read about people discriminating against one person based on the actions of someone else (whom they don't even know) who claims to be of the same religion. To me, it's like saying all Christians are bad because David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Timothy McVeigh were Christians. KWIM?

I thought this was a goat knowledge forum? I must have made a mistake logging in...My BAD.

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TOPSIDE FARMS

please, please people just stop....I had a few valid questions regarding selling meat goats and only brought up religion as my basis for asking the questions. this is absolutely ridiculous. I am not contradiciting my self at all, if you knew me you would understand, but I am not going into all that again. Please just keep the thread to questions regarding selling meat goats. I sincerely apologize to anyone who has been offended or knows anyone that would have been offended, this is not what I was looking for. I will not continue to defend my self or my beliefs for what I want done on my own property just as anyone else here would have the same right. No more.

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Trish

Seriously, I am COMPLETELY dressed!

Just keep moving...just keep moving!

to get the thred back on topic, anytime we did a home butcher weather it was for our own meat or for someone else, anything that wasnt used went into the burn pit, or to the dogs, our dogs got alot of the left overs but we also had a sizeable burn pit, when you live way out in the country trash trucks dont come out to you so you have to make do with what you got, we also put any bird or animal that died for what ever the reason in the pit, it was better to burn everything rather than try and dig a hole deep enough that the dogs and or coyotes wouldnt dig it back up and make a mess,

in areas where your not allowed to sell processed meat off the farm like it was in kansas the way we got around this was to sell the live animal and then they would butcher it, all we provided after that was the location and cuttng surfaces.

for non holiday meat orders though there were a couple processing plants that would work with our goats, this made it easyer, but you have to look around for the right cutting house as some charge too much and dont provide very many servaces

From the info we get from the local slaughter house, it's okay to have pigs, but they cannot be housed near the goats.

Ruth

Check out this website. This is where we take our goats. They sell to a huge muslim clientele, into NY City, etc. The pay top dollar for goats as well. Maybe someone in your area can get something going like this. We sell to them via a co-op. Members only. It's a pretty good deal for goat producers. http://www.halalmeats.us/

Ruth

I have sold goats to muslims on many occasions and I have pigs. My pigs are acres away so it's not a problem with them. The muslims who buy from me, will only buy an intact buck with horns. I have never been told that they care what color it is.

Moosemaniac - I would LOVE to find something like that around here!

Niki

Let's not get off track, this is a learning experience to all.
As to butchering on a farm, many Muslims like many non Muslims
live in cities and apts. Believe me, if they had a place to take the goat
for slaughter they would. Like many Homesteaders, Muslims prefer to
be private and to themselves.

If you have enough property as a friend of mine does, she has
an area specifically for butchering and away from her barns.

Providing a good product at a fair price
with respectful and poliet service will
take any of you far.

I'll respond to all private messages later this evening after my chores are done.

just wondering if anybody has checked on the liabilities if someone gets cut ect.?