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11/29/06, 01:18 PM
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I'm glad Queenie is OK, and very sorry to hear about the lost kid.
I like your plan to let her rule the rest of the herd as she grows old. She sounds like a very special and royal girl.
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11/29/06, 01:21 PM
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Oh, so sorry for your loss, but glad momma is allright. Prayers for you all. 
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11/29/06, 01:24 PM
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I'm glad Queenie is OK, and very sorry to hear about the lost kid.
I like your plan to let her rule the rest of the herd as she grows old. She sounds like a very special and royal girl.
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That's why her name is Queenie, cause she RULES! You should see her, she's 9 years old and she still gives the girls a run for their money, but she's very gentle with the kids, which is real sweet.
Thanks everyone, it was pretty crappy, but now she's out eating some leaves I pulled off for her, she doesn't want the oatmel, or the chips, which is a real surprise because that's all that she would eat when she was in labor. I think she's calm enough now that after I clean her up I can move her to a pen by herself. Thanks again guys. Surprising though, I'm not that upset about the baby, just that Queenie went through all that and she'll never find her baby, I feel sorry that the baby couldn't live, adn that Queenie went through that, but right now all my tears have gone to Queenie, she's the one that I can help right now.
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11/29/06, 01:34 PM
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I buy it at Tractor Supply OTC.
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Ruth, I am guessing you are buying Calcium Gluconate? Actual injectible CMPK you can only get from a vet, but it is very cheap.
Sorry to hear about the baby -- sounds like it had been dead for a while if the legs pulled off that easily  Was your dad sure there were no other babies in there?
If she were mine, I would go ahead and do a uterine flush on her while she is open -- 3 cc LA 200 or Bio-mycin to 9cc sterile water or saline. I use an AI pipette with a syringe on the end, but a mare pipette or stallion cathader work too. Course if you aren't going to breed her again, it probably doesn't matter that much.
If you have another abortion in the herd, you will want to get that fetus/placenta tested to see if you have something contagious going on....
Glad she made it through!
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11/29/06, 01:57 PM
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Oh, I am so sorry for the loss of her baby. You and your dad did a great job. I am so glad that she is going to be ok.
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11/29/06, 02:39 PM
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I would also go with the penicillin, and perhaps get a bolus from the vet, as well. Did she drop afterbirth? Are you sure she cleaned out good?
Sorry for the ordeal, and glad your doe made it.
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11/29/06, 03:02 PM
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There must be someone around you to help. I'd be on the horn to any vet at this point and tell them you're desperate. Any vet school nearby or zoo or even spca? Someone must know where to get help. This sounds like an emergency to me.
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11/29/06, 03:32 PM
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THe legs didn't come off easy, my dad was pulling VERY hard, it was so gross. I don't know if there is anyone like that around us, I just know that there aren't any goat vets, and very few vets period. Thanks again guys. Bye.
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11/29/06, 04:02 PM
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Wow. I'm glad your doe made it.
Ditto on the uterine flush. See TracyInIdaho's post.
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11/29/06, 04:42 PM
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Any news?
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11/29/06, 04:53 PM
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In the absence of vet care, put this doe on penn g for 5 days, twice a day, 5CC, in the muscle. Also, try to get her a B complex shot. You can order many medications online from jeffers, hoeggers, or valleyvet.
This vet is in your area and is listed on my Llama web. I'm positive a llama vet can treat goats.
Dr. Keely Smith 1-888-281-7417 Hudson, FL
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11/29/06, 05:53 PM
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My vet is a camelid expert and is the most goat knowledgable vet I've ever had. Glad to hear your doe survived and hope she recovers fine and doesn't get an infection.
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11/29/06, 07:19 PM
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She's doing fine right now, me and my brother gave her a bath, with my shampoo, that way she no longer smells like rotting blood, but like a rasberry milk shake instead. We also put her in a pen by herself, gave her lots of hay to lay in and to eat, fresh clean water, and LOTS of food. Hopefully in a week or two we can put her in with the all girl herd, for right now she can see and interact with them through the fence. She's very active, and seems to be very alert. After her bath she even seemed to stop greiving a bit, probly because she was grieving over the bath, lol. It was so sad though, until we gave her her bath she was just laying by where my dad buried the baby and doing that little mommy baa they do when they're looking for their baby, it was REAL sad. She's doing better now though, thank god. Well thanks again guys, bye.
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11/29/06, 07:21 PM
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Oh yeah, one more thing, what exactly is a uterine flush, what does it do? We don't have any AI equipment, we don't do AI, so what else could we use? We don't have mare pipette or stallion cathader either. Don't even know what they are. Would I put it in her hole? THanks in advance. Bye.
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11/29/06, 09:09 PM
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In the absence of vet care, put this doe on penn g for 5 days, twice a day, 5CC, in the muscle. Also, try to get her a B complex shot. You can order many medications online from jeffers, hoeggers, or valleyvet.
This vet is in your area and is listed on my Llama web. I'm positive a llama vet can treat goats.
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Glad you got on to say that. No one was telling her that that goat needs to have the penicillian for 5 days.
I had to go into my goat this past kidding. I gave her 2ccs of pen for 5 days. I hated to do it but knew it would be worth it.
MUST BE for 5 days or it wont be effective.
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My experience is with dogs, but I'd say that she had a rotting kid inside her, she needs to be treated for infection to keep her from getting sick. So, I'd have a vet check her over and make sure she is cleaned out inside and give her the appropriate dosage of antibiotics. I know its hard to find vets that work on animals other than horses, cows, cats and dogs. We have some ducks and our family vet of many years isn't a lot of help with them and that's a bit scary to me. I'm used to heading to a vet for anything I am not sure of! (I'm afraid I have more of a pet mentality and I know that isn't always feasible when you are farming.)
EDIT: I almost forgot to say how sorry I am that you lost the baby and how glad that your doe is doing well!
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11/30/06, 07:33 AM
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MUST BE for 5 days or it wont be effective.
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the reason you give antibiotics over a certain length of time is to make sure the pathogene bacteria are complete destroyed. if there are any left because treatment was not long enough it causes resistance, means next time we want to treat an animal with pennecillin or another antibiotic it will not work.
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11/30/06, 08:46 AM
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cool I didn't know the reason just that it had to be for the 5 days at least. Cool I learned something. Thanks
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11/30/06, 09:19 AM
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I'm sorry Queenie lost the baby. I have seen a yucky baby like that a couple of times as well. My vet pulled a pretty gross one from Blossom a couple years ago. She had 2 healthy ones along with it. He didn't flush her, but gave her a Nolvasan bolus and prescribed shots of Biomycin. If you have already started a course of penn, that should be good too.
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11/30/06, 10:52 AM
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I've read that because of the goat's rapid metabolism shots do not need to be IM and can be given SQ.
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