HELP! It's not Diarhea! She's in labor!

I agree with what Tracy said. A small animal (dog & cat vet) should be able to give you a dose of lute for your doe. If you call & explain your dilema. Shouldn't be over $10 I would think.

But definately lube up (even dish soap works) before you go in (with short fingernails). Make sure you wash well before & when you're done.

WIth red or orange discharge, I'd have to guess that there is a problem. Maybe a preterm labor, or abortion. Could be why you didn't think whe was pregnant. Good luck & prayers, Tricia

My dad is going to ask my great uncle, who is a vet, if he knows anyone in our area that can perform a C-section.

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I agree with Mamahen and Tracy. I had a doe deliver twins..alive..and then there was some different colored discharge and a mummy came out. Wonder if she could have a mummy first? It would sure be easy for it to get sideways and in a pickle if it was first.

Good luck .. hope all goes well.

are you sure she's not miscarrying? Or pro-lapsing?

No bag and no dilation? Are you sure?

If you C-section, she will most likely never impregnate...

I bought an expensive Obie doe that was C-sectioned right before I got her (I didn't know that before I went to get her - three hours one way). BEAUTIFUL DOE. Spent every dollar I had as a BIRTHDAY PRESENT FOR MYSELF. She eventually went to slaughter. She would come in heat but never implant...

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I would try the calcium first. 30ml very slowly subq. and again, and again, and if necessary, again. She'll pee a lot afterward, but it will help dilation.

You'll be amazed at the results. A goat mentor of mine got me doing this.

Ruth

Gailann..I can't imagine how upset you must have been. I did not know that about C sections. But will tuck it away to remember if/when I am doe shopping again.

And Ruth..I haven't read about calcium doing that. I didn't even know there was liquid calcium. I had a first timer two years ago that could really have used this!

Thanks to you both.

I had a doe, a few months ago, who I walked up to one night as I was checking the goats, and she was pushing and had a heavy rusty red discharge. I didn't think she was heavy bred, but she had no ligaments and no bag at all. I checked her, and she was barely open enough to feel, but I could feel no bag or baby. I looked around the field, thinking maybe I would find the baby, but I found nothing. I stayed up with her all night and the next day, nothing. After a day or two, the discharge stopped, her ligament got hard again and she developed a tiny bag that dried up quickly. She must have aborted, although I never found any evidence of it. Maybe your goat is aborting, or aborted before you found her?? Did you look around to see if you can see any afterbirth? I am praying for you, and I hope everything turns out well.

Injectible CMPK is only available from a vet, so I doubt she'd have any on hand.

Personally, I'd tie her to the fence if I had to, in order to check her. Hope your dad can find a vet for her. That would probably be the best thing.

A C-section doesn't mean she won't ever breed again. I know of a Champion doe that has her kids every year via C-section. Gailann, I wonder if your doe didn't have a low grade uterine infection that was keeping her from settling...

Anyhow, hope you get things figured out with this doe! Keep us posted.

Tracy

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I've gone through having a doe get a c-section. I'll try anything else first!

Ruth

Her not having babies again is not an issue, she won't be breed again anyway. Thanks guys, my dad's home so we're going to go and try. Bye.

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[QUOTE=Gailann Schrader]are you sure she's not miscarrying? Or pro-lapsing?

No bag and no dilation? Are you sure?

If you C-section, she will most likely never impregnate...QUOTE]

that is not true in all cases. I have heard of LOTS and LOTS of people that do a C-section on Pygmys and they are bred again the next year. This one lady here had about 4 C-sections a year, and they are ll rebred. Some have c-sections again and because they breed those goats to be so darn big. She has never had a goat not rebreed.

Hang in there, let us know what is going on.

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Lori

I buy it at Tractor Supply OTC.

Ruth

My dad just pulled the baby out, it was dead, and about a week or two premature, a little bit of hair, not much on the torso, none on the legs, it came out backwards, with the hoofs pointing down, REAL gross, the legs got ripped off. Thanks for the help. I'm going out to feed her chex mix chips, she LOVES them. She was looking for her baby right after it got out. It was real gross. What do we give her for antibiotics? Penicilan? We have penicilan and bio-mycin. Thanks guys. My plan is, I'm going to leave her alone for a while, then once she calms down a bit I'm going to put her in a pen by herself for a week or so, then she's going out to the ALL GIRL pasture to rule over her subjects for the rest of her life.

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I'm so sorry, Goat Freak. I know how hard that it.

I am so happy to hear that the doe made it, but sorry to hear about the baby. Did you say the legs came off the baby? Or did I misunderstand that? I would also give her Molasses water and make sure she is eating. I would go with the Penn G, but I have a feeling others will say something else. Yes pamper her.

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So sad. Sorry to hear that. Glad the doe is okay though.

Ruth

Yeah, when my dad was pulling, the baby's legs were so soft that they ripped and fell off, the baby literally came out piece by piece for the most part. It was real sick, and it smelled bad, I've never smelt raw flesh before, it's really gross. Right now, i'm going to make her mash, feed her chips, and let her drink some pepsi, oh and rasins and anything else that comes to mind, then I'm going to take a nice warm wet rag and see if I can't clean her up a bit. Thanks guys for staying with me through this. Bye.

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Goat Freak I'm so sorry to hear of your loss at least the doe is ok and alive. I will be praying for you and hugs to both you and the Doe of yours.

God Bless You!!

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Oh, honey. I'm so sorry. That image will stay with you... If the legs came off that easily it was dead for a while. Could have been anything. Give her a boost of Survive! or other mineral/supplement rich stuff. Poor doe...

Good luck! I'm sorry you (and she) had to go through that. *hugs*



On C-sectioning? The folks that sold her to me guaranteed her to settle, but she never did and didn't honor the guarantee.... *shrug* sometimes you learn stuff and sometimes it learns you. In retrospect I can be ok with it... I traded her to another Obie owner who had her for two years and couldn't get her to settle either.

I'm pleased to hear other folks had better luck than I did.

I, for myself, will not buy a c-sectioned goat again.

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Sorry for your loss..but I am so very happy that your doe is okay. Good for you guys getting the little one out..I know getting it out was rough...but you very well saved your doe.