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Old 11/28/06, 08:31 AM
 
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"Beware of the ivomec if the dog could have heartworm"

Thanks for mentioning that. Since I live in the South and we do ALL dogs for heartworms, I didnt think that others may not. My mistake.

I also forgot to mention that to treat mange the Ivomec dose is DAILY until symptoms go away. The same dosage MONTHLY will prevent heartworms and treat for other worms except tapeworms
Is this the 1% injectible like I give to the goats orally??If not what type do you use and do you use it by mouth or inj??I buy the expensive heartworm meds from the vet for my 5 dogs and it gets a bit expensive something cheaper would be a help..
My JRT gets hot spots from fleas if one just touches her drives her/us nuts..We dose her with flea meds when this happens ,benedryl and usually a trip to the vet for steroids to clear it up
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Old 11/28/06, 09:37 AM
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Hi all and thanks for the tips, and it looks like Rocky is saying thanks also.
He looks like he is getting better already. I am still putting the cocoa butter on him twice a day and that seems to help him alot, but I have a few more questions if you don't mind.
I have never had a dog that I didn't give the table scrapes to. I may be wrong but I always looked at it as a delite for the dog. If we eat steak, meatloaf, or even chicken, he gets the scrapes. He wolfs down creamed potatoes, and even cole slaw. Rocky loves them, and ever now or then I will even cook him a pound of hamburger, sausage or chicken gizards. Something that is still good but has been freezer burned.
Southerngurl, I noticed on your website they said something about a dog having allergies from chicken.
All of this info you have given me has really made me start to wonder what I can feed him.
I really think now, that it came from the dog food Steph brought up here.
He stays in the house nearly all the time. If he has to go potty, he goes to the door and barks. During the day, I put him on the chain. After dark, I let him run but he never stays out more than 10 or 15 minutes and he is knocking on the door. And yes, him and the cat both knock on the door when they are ready to come back in.
He is on his (was) second fifty pound bag of this food.
It was after he first got started on this food that he started scratching, and I went out the next day or two and bought the ADAMS FLEA AND TICK MIST.
That drove him crazy. So I have treated him for ticks and fleas but it seems that, that just made things worse.
I am sure from what you all have told me it is an allergy to food, but now I am just wondering what to feed him.
I am disabiled and don't have money to buy really expensive food, but I am not going to watch him suffer. I'll go hungry before I do that.
I can buy him a bag of good high priced food to get him over this and then we can start over and pay more attenion to him until we figure out what he can and can't eat so I can afford to keep his belly full and him being able to sleep at night like he used to.

My question is, what do you all think would be the right type of food to buy, as inexpensive as possible, and what about the table scrapes. They didn't seem to hurt him before this came on and he loves them.
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Old 11/28/06, 09:44 AM
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One more thing. I am sure he doesn't has fleas, and if he does, they stay on him and never jump off, because as I said, he sleeps with all of us, lays on the couch, ect. and none of us has ever found one on him. But just incase, I have some seven dust I bought for the garden.
What is the 5% and 10% deal about that. I also have a spray bottle of ADAMS that some one can have if they want it. He sure as the devil didn't like it. Not one bit.

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Old 11/28/06, 03:52 PM
 
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Why not for collies??Do they get the same heartworm meds?Mine are a herding dog Blue Heelers .They get the same heartworm meds.as my JRT
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Old 11/28/06, 04:03 PM
 
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http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ivermectin.html
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Old 11/28/06, 04:43 PM
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Is this the 1% injectible like I give to the goats orally??If not what type do you use and do you use it by mouth or inj??I buy the expensive heartworm meds from the vet for my 5 dogs and it gets a bit expensive something cheaper would be a help..
My JRT gets hot spots from fleas if one just touches her drives her/us nuts..We dose her with flea meds when this happens ,benedryl and usually a trip to the vet for steroids to clear it up
Yes this is the 1% injectible ivermectin like you give yoru goats orally. you don't need the expensive heartguard or whatnot, it has ivermectin in it as the preventative!! You just give .1cc per 10 lbs once a month. So my 80 lb GSP gets .8cc every month. I just inject it into a peice of bread and they eat it right up. Also, a 50cc bottle will last FOREVER and only costs you 30 or so bucks, less if you buy the generic ivermectin out of jeffers! Saves us a fortune! Also, the ivermectin will treat external parasites as well as internal, like fleas and ticks, so you don't have to get flea/tick meds either. At least, that's what i've heard.
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Old 11/28/06, 05:11 PM
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I do understand the cost. I personally have 7 cats (I only sought out 2 of them) and they cost me $70 a month in feed. It's about to be reduced because I'm going to start feeding them half raw goats milk when I get a milk goat.

Anyway, on the dog food, you may find it's not as expensive in actual practice to feed as you first think. Since cheaper foods are full of fillers (the very thing that causes skin problems in dogs) you have to feed extra feed. If your dog is about 60 lbs, then it would probably eat about 2-2 1/4 measuring cups of the high quality feed per day. Compare that with a lower quality food such as Purina Adult Dog Chow, which would recommend feeding more along the lines of 3 cups. Add in the cost of creams and veterinary visits, feeding quality food (to animals and ourselves!) can be a real bargain.

Think about what it costs to feed a human for a month. It's amazing that a good size dog can be fed pretty darn decent food for about 60-70 cents a day if you ask me.

Supplementing with scraps is fine IMO if you take care to only give appropriate scaps. Don't feed processed foods, and don't give them any COOKED poultry bones. RAW poultry bones are good for them. If you take time to save certain foods that would end up not being eaten and give them to the dogs before they ruin, this can help stretch the food. There's plenty of leftovers for a dog when someone kills a deer or whatever. Organs, meaty bones and scraps are great for them. As good as it gets really. You may also be able to get something from a local butcher. They may have some meaty bones or something to give away. I also believe you can purchase tripe (beef intestine) quite cheap from them.

BTW, what is he eating? Look at the label. If the first ingredient is corn, dropkick it out the door. Or feed it to some chickens.
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Old 11/28/06, 05:48 PM
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As for the food allergies, think of the most common dog food ingredients: chicken, lamb, oatmeal......

If you think it's a food allergy, I would try to locate a dry dog food that doesn't have some of those major allergens. IVD brand makes all kinds of different recipes: duck and potato, rabbit, etc..

Good quality food is important but with a food allergy it's the actual ingredients that matter the most. In other words, you could buy a cheaper food without the offending allergen that works better than a fancy brand food with it.

Another thing, if the dog is allergic to oatmeal, like one of ours was years ago, even the "soothing" oatmeal doggie shampoos will cause the poor beast to be miserable.
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Old 11/28/06, 05:51 PM
 
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My dog had this problem and vet said to use Keri oil in a bath, you can find it in the lotion isle at Target, Wal mart etc.
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Old 11/28/06, 07:39 PM
 
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Makes me wonder about vets...I had an aussie and a collie and they took the heartguard he never mentioned the possability that they may have problems with Ivermectin.Thank goodness they never did.Thanks for the info
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