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Old 11/28/06, 12:47 PM
 
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halaluiah!

soooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! glad to hear i can do good with cows milk (i am jumping in here to the conversation ) but i wa sjust just getting ready to go buy some replacer because this billy baby is too young for feed alone and i am putting him back on milk for a while . i live down the road from a dairy and wondered in everyones oppinion is raw better or is it just as good and maybe easier to buy store bought ?

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Old 12/04/06, 05:11 PM
 
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cow milk update

well i have used the store bought cow milk (whole) and man what a difference the baby billy has not got the hard rumen he had before alot less tooth grinding and just an all around happier baby and we even bisbudded him and he came through with flying colors !! yipee!!!! i guess my days of replacer are over no mixing messes ,no worry , wow i am delighted the little doe is still very supdued but she eats nd is doing fine but she does not want the bottle even though she is still young she just doesn't want it so i won't force the issue
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Old 12/04/06, 05:15 PM
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Raw is fine, as long as you trust the health of the animals you're getting it from. You can always pasteurize it at hom.
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Old 12/04/06, 07:52 PM
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Some have voiced concern over the quality of store milk - all the antibiotics, etc given to commercial dairy cows - and even fears about disease - don't know how valid this is.
Every single tank of milk that is Grade A (which is the only Grade of milk allowed as liquid milk) is tested for antibiotic residue. Every single tank picked up and every truck is tested befrie being allowed to be put into the holding towers. If that truck comes back positive? The dairy responsible for the tainted load (which is dumped) has to pay for the entire load, plus the dumping. So how likely do you really think it is a dairy will risk having to pay $15,000 when they could just dump their milk that would only bring in less than $1000 for high producers?
So the anitbiotic concerns are unrealistic.
As far as disease goes...the store milk is pastuerized. My only concern would be Johne's. Pastuerization does not kill all of the bacteria that causes Johne's.
Apparently, there are two different strains of Johne's. One affecting cattle and one affecting sheep and goats. That does not mean they cannot get Johne's from both, but it sounds like, since the two are different, that it isn't as automatic as it might have been. They are both Johne's afterall. By the way, deer can carry and shed both strains.....
Most diseases that can occur in cattle are killed off by pastuerization, just like in goats.
Depending on where the milk came from, most States are Bangs (Brucellosis) and TB free.

We are going to raise our CAE prevention kids on raw cow's colostrum and raw whole cow's milk from our tested herd. We've tested for Johne's for over a decade now. We've been accredited herd for Bangs and TB for about as long as the programs have been in existance here in Ohio (at least 50 years on the TB).
We've raised numerous kids on whole raw cow's milk from our herd over the years. At least one each year. Usually half a dozen or more. We haven't done as many that didn't get their dam's colostrum first, but we have done it.
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Old 12/05/06, 12:52 PM
 
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Hmmm, I'm convinced! Have at least 20# of dry milk replacer in the freezer; would it make good compost? Should I buy a piglet to use it? Make soap out of it? White wash the barn with it?
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Old 12/05/06, 01:11 PM
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Old 12/10/06, 12:15 AM
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Well, from what I have read in this thread, most say to go with whole cow's milk rather than milk replacer. We are getting two bottle fed baby Pygmies, and are trying to learn all we can about them. I may be wrong, but I swore I saw goat's milk in the local Wal-Mart the other day...
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Old 12/10/06, 07:16 AM
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Well, from what I have read in this thread, most say to go with whole cow's milk rather than milk replacer. We are getting two bottle fed baby Pygmies, and are trying to learn all we can about them. I may be wrong, but I swore I saw goat's milk in the local Wal-Mart the other day...
Yeah, you probably did...did you see the price?? A person would go broke feeding goats milk from the grocery store.....and yes, milk replacer is my last choice. Way down there after raw cows milk or even whole cows milk from the store.
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Old 12/10/06, 09:01 AM
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No, I didn't see the price, but I am assuming from your post it is pretty expensive!! I had wondered about the replacer, when I sawit was for cows,goats,dogs,cats,etc...as they are all such different animals.
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