sheep wormer????

Goodness...is this GC?

Personally, when someone offers advice, I think that's nice. When a different person has conflicting advice, then it's time to check sources.

It's not as if you're arguing about what your favorite colors are. If it's subjective, then facts don't matter. Those are just thoughts and ideas, and everyone's opinion has value. If you're offering it as objective fact, and it's something that can affect the health and welfare of our livestock, then you should be able to support it.

Saying, 'Because I said so" is not a source. Neither is creating your own website and offering that. But most of us can recognize a legitimate source from a fly-by-night source. So, offer your sources, and let the readers judge for themselves what is legitimate and what is not, please. Name-calling and belligerence are simply not becoming.

Meg

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I wasn't the one offering advice that could in any way be harmful to goats. I don't need to prove my sources. If reading comprehension is a problem, that isn't something I can fix (but I can offer some advice). Like I said, if you want to harm your animals by grossly over or underdosing them for worms, go for it. I stand by my advice to use 1% Ivomec for goats and .08% drench for sheep. This is recognized advice given on any number of websites, if you so choose to go to them and discern whether or not they are 'fly by night' - the actual problem here is someone who feels they need to be 'right' about every subject they comment on (whether or not they actually raise goats). It's also quite laughable that I be made to feel somehow inferior because I've only been commenting on this site for a month (been reading it much longer), while the old grand marshall who I'm supposed to be "respecting" has only been posting here a couple of months.

If someone can point out where I give advice that could be harmful to an animal, please point it out. Over and undosing animals with ivomec is dangerous - you'll either get a toxic reaction or cause your animals to become resistant to wormer.

If you dose your sheep with .08% Ivomec at a rate of 3.0 mL (CC) per 26lbs of body weight (from the package), you'd be drenching a 100 lb sheep with about 12 CC's of drench. To get something near that dose for a goat, you'd need to use 134 CC's of .08% drench. Measure that out and tell me how easy it would be do drench your goat with it. Conversely, a 100 lb goat would need about 2 CC's of 1.0% solution, and that same 100 lb sheep - .15 CC. Measure that out and tell me how effective you think it would be in a sheep's mouth. Would you feel comfortable giving your your sheep the equivalent of about 2 drops of fluid?

Advice, it's free. Take it or leave it. But stop the "website" tirade. A website doesn't "prove" anything. I've been raising sheep and goats for 30 years. My local vet calls ME for advice.

Logic, it's not rocket science. And that's my last word on the subject.

I see I was unclear, and I apologize for that. I did not intend to imply that you were offering advice that was harmful. When I said, "it's something that can affect the health and welfare of our livestock", I meant the topic of worming, not any person's specific information.

And, I never check to see how many posts a person has. To me, that's irrelevant.

However, I would still be interested to see where your information comes from. I've done a search, and can't find anything. I have used cattle ivomectin on my sheep at the direction of the small ruminent vets at our state teaching hospital. I've also found directions for it's use on other sites. But I can't find a site that supports your information. If there is a risk that I'm unaware of, I'd like to know. All information has value, but as a Biologist, I just need to see hard data. Then I can decide on how I want to handle my flock. That's all. It's not personal.

Meg

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To me it has nothing to do with how many posts someone has but to do with their attitude when posting.

The internet is full of mis information and good information. Since you don't like siting websites do you have some you can scan and attach as an image? You can't fault people for wanting to know WHY. I am a why person. I don't use anything on my goats unless I know what it is and what it is for. And most of the time I have to rely on people to give me that information. People like those here.

If you don't want to back yourself up, that is fine, but don't bash people because they have an oppion that is opposite yours.

"Okay, Einstein.. apparently this is your little kingdom and the your perception of being RIGHT apparently overrules your desire to help anyone in this forum. Like I said, kill your animals, it's no skin off my nose. And BTW, yes, I'm a doctor. And you're what... someone with way too much time to kill? Good lord, it's just a message board - nobody has to take my advice. I'm not advocating anything that is potentially dangerous to livestock. Don't expect me to pay attention to any more of your ridiculous rants - I don't debate."

and that is where YOU brought up the amount of posts someone has! (though not stated that way I know.

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" If reading comprehension is a problem, that isn't something I can fix "

The only thing I questioned was your statement about Ivomec 1% being "deadly" to sheep. I thought it was pretty clear, since I quoted it for you. I TOTALLY agree with the quote above though.

Like Meg, I cant find anything that says Ivomec 1% given orally will kill sheep. I HAVE found studies where they gave 20 times the recommended dosage SQ with only minor effects. Also , like hoggfan , Ive had good luck using Levamisole, which is also safe to use on pregnant sheep

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BEARFOOT are you using the same dosage of LEVAMISOL that I am??? 1ml per10lb

What I did was calculate the dosage based on the amount of powder it takes per sheep if you follow the mixing directions. Then I weigh out enough powder for each dose I need. I then measure out the water in equal doses, but make the concentration stronger so I dont have to give so much volume. Ive had good results with this method but it requires a set of scales that are very accurate at VERY small weights. Mine will measure 1/10th of a grain. I already had the scales for reloading ammuntion. If I didnt already have them Id do as you are and follow the package directions. The main reason I do it the way I do is I often just worm a few at a time, and if I were mixing the whole package Id be wasting a lot since it cant be stored for very long.

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I've used horse paste (because it is all that's available locally) at 3x the weight dose as recommended on the Fiasco farm site. I've had very good results.

Why do folks dredge up 7 year old posts that are mostly arguments between 2 long banned posters?

Friend, there are many far more current posts involving contemporary worming practice. Read through them and see where things are headed. Also, go to Valley Vets website and you can get far more effective wormers at lower cost than you likely can locally.

Good lord a thread back from the dead! Zombies.....are coming... Seriously get a fecal done before you worm so you know what you are treating for. Then you can use the right medicine for the icky critter that needs to go!

Ahhh OK, I didn't see the part that said "2006" Geeze, no kidding ~why?

Anyways, I was talking with my vet and he said about using Goat Safeguard on Sheep to use the same dosage on the bottle, so to say they are interchangeable? I thought it was odd because he gave me advice years ago saying to double the dose on the same product, so I'm left wondering which is correct? I've "overdosed" lambs on it, knowing it is a safe product. Thou, I wonder how well it actually works, I'll use Cydectin when they are 4 mo's and this seems to work well. ~Chris

[QUOTE=Bret4207;6724637]Why do folks dredge up 7 year old posts that are mostly arguments between 2 long banned posters?

Because I'm new to the boards, bought sheep wormer by mistake, and wanted to know if it would work. This post came up in the search. For a dead thread, this one was rather helpful to me. I returned the sheep drench and bought the cattle drench.
Thank you on your kind advice though.

Well, at least now we know the "why?". What was common practice and state of the art 7-10 years back is real outdated now. I struggle to keep up on wormer to be honest. I sincerely suggest you read through the recent posts on wormers. It'll do you more good than any old posts.

Search functions on forums never work good for me either.