Paco died. ???s

Thank you, but where do I send the poop to? The nearest livestock vet is pretty far away. Is there some place, like a lab, that I could send it to?
Thank you for all the help, everyone. Bye.

just a regular small animal vet can do fecals and test for worms. Our closest vet is a small animal practice and he will do the testing in about 1/2 hour for $10..everything gets worms.

Thank you, we have a small animal vet close by. So that works great! Thank you.

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Oh goodness. The cause could be one of many things. Worms come to mind at first. Even if he was wormed 2-3 months ago, he could easily be loaded again this time of year. Also, what wormer are you using??? You need to have a couple fecals done to insure the wormer you are using is still working. Worm overload can kill as you describe.
Sub-clinical cocci can also be suspect in a case where a goat just doesn't do well and is unthrifty, then suddenly gets worse and dies. A goat does not need to have scours to die of cocci. In fact, I have seen adult goats with bad cases of cocci and never have they scoured from it. A fecal can be done for cocci.
A severe lack of certain minerals can cause unthriftyness and death.
Also, you say he gets handpicked grass and weeds and grain, with access to pasture a couple times a week......does he get any hay?? Sounds to me like his diet consisted of too much concentrates and not enough rumen building material. Does not make for a healthy goat. I would put some decent hay in front of those guys 24/7, and cut back on their grain a bit. Too much grain and not enough roughage can cause all sorts of rumen problems. It could even have been a slow form of a clostridium-type problem. Most of which are caused by improper feeding.
Trying to brainstorm a bit here.......Sorry you lost him. It would have been a good idea to have him autopsied by a vet if that is possible in your area. Then you wouldn't have to guess and wonder if its contagious.....

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"Remember, no man is a failure, who has friends" -Clarence

Sorry you lost your goat, goatfreak. I too hate it when you feel unable to help an animal. We try our best, and sadly, sometimes it's not ment to be.

And us animal loving/rasing teens get underestimated sometimes! I've had a couple people inquire on my for sale goats, only to back out when they found I was 16. And I've given advice to people through email on raising goats, and they cut off contact after I tell them I'm 16. Weird.

Where are you going to vet school at? I'm gonna try to get into MI State! (woo!)

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"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

They were all wormed today, we use Ivomec most of the time, but today we used something different, I'll need to ask my mom what it was. They all have hay too, right now that is. Thank you for the help, he's already in the ground, so no autopsy, sorry. Thank you for all the help. Bye.

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I'm not sure yet. My parents hired an agency to find all the possible scholarships and money savers, and they do all the paper work too. They're going to find a good school for me to, I don't really care, as lond as it's a good school that can teach me. What grade are you in? What are you going to study?

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Right now I'm going into 11th grade, and I'm gonna be a large animal vet first, but I want to go back to school and become a small animal vet as well. I do have two free years at my local community college, where I'm gonna take all the stupid classes first, then transfer to MI State. I really truly cannot wait; I wanna go NOW! Hopefully I'll be able to take more college classes this year, (took AP bio my sophomore year, last year) and my dad is thinking of letting me take classes online too. I just cannot wait to become a practicing livestock vet.

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

Ok, it would really be a good idea to have some fecals done to determine if Ivomec is still working for you. It was not working here several years ago so we are using Cydectin with excellent results. Its cheaper in the long run to have some fecals done rather than lose goats or production to resistant worms. You live in Florida, right?? That is a hard climate to keep worms controlled in, so your going to have to try harder than some of us....
Glad to hear they have hay. I knew it was too late to autopsy Paco, but it might be something to keep in mind if you ever lose another one.....hey, it happens to us all. I was having troubles this past spring and couldn't figure it out. Finally got a doe autopsied(and yes, I had to stuff a full grown Lamancha doe in the refrigerator to hold her for the vet till morning. Talk about macabre..... ), and found out exactly what it was and was able to save the next doe and fix the problem. It was wonderful to *know* what I was dealing with.......

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We have lost a buck and 4 sheep this year. Some died of frothy bloat but the last 2 are a mystery. Could it be a snake bite or bat bite (rabies), or West Nile? We didn't have them tested. Sure makes a person ill as one of the deaths was a 3 week old lamb.

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Frothy bloat is a form of entero, but there are other forms of entero as well that are just as deadly. They don't act like what most people think of as entero so it remains a mystery. Is it possible the two latest died of a different strain since you know you were having entero problems with the 1st ones??

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"Remember, no man is a failure, who has friends" -Clarence

Sorry you lost your goat. It would have been good if you could have had him necropsied. I've seen what you are talking about in Boer goats. I had a 3/4 Boer doe who lost weight after kidding with triplets as a yearling. She put on a little weight and we rebred her. After giving birth to a second set of triplets the next spring, she just started going down hill. She lost weight and had repeated bouts with bottle jaw despite repeated wormings with both Ivermec and Valbazen. She was very well fed and had adequate minerals. We lost her. I have an experienced goat breeder friend who has goats who have also showed these symptoms. Her thoughts on this are that the goats are developing resistance to the wormers we usually use. One of her does had many different types of worms show up in the fecal. Perhaps the Boer goats are developing resistance faster than her dairy goats. It seems to be a Boer thing. It's also possible that the goats have eaten things that are preventing them from digesting their food properly, such as twine or other indigestable things that are staying in their rumens.

I so understand where you are coming from goatfreak. My father is not one to want to do vet stuff on something that he paid 25 dollars for. It saddens me as I am out of the house and while my parents still have two pygmys they dont take care of them like I would, and so we come here and try to learn what we can so we can do what we can with the optios we have to work with.

I'm so sorry to hear of bad news of a goat dying. Sending prayers and hugs your way.

Next that was uncalled for someone making a rude comment. That is what make the internet a rough place with people like that. Please try and be more nicer. Everyone has to learn one way or another. If we didn't ask questions we wouldn't learn a thing.

Ok on your goat it could had been many things that caused the death.

Here is what I'm dealing with now on a goat of mine. I have wormed my goats every 3 months because around here it very bad for worms. Well I went out the other morn and have a goat which I wormed on Aug1st had to be wormed again on Aug11 alone with showing signs of Cocci. So I had to give him meds for that too. I looked at his eyelids and they are white as a ghost so I had to start giving him V-B to help him. He got where he couldn't get up at all I had to help him get up but when he was up on his feet he was ok but after he would lie down he couldn't get back up so I had to start him on V-B to help him gain his strength and hopeing to get his color back in his eyelids. Everyone else had been wormed the same time but he must be the worse. So right now dealing with that.. He eats great and drinks plenty of water was just very weak in his legs. When got down couldn't get back up unless you helped him up.

I have heard people also state on here why do you need to spend so much on goats if they are just pets or bush goats. Well the answer to this also is if they get sick and you do not have the med you will lose them in no time. So it is best to have everything you need incase you need it.

Ok I hush.. Sorry about that.

To the one that lost their goat. I'm so so sorry to hear of that. It really hurts and I will again send more hugs your way and do not let rude people broth ye. Just ignore them. Maybe they need to learn to watch and read what people post because they may run into trouble and need help too.

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Wolf, what wormer are you using? Or do you think it's a combo of the cocci too? It must be frustrating when you are worming that regularly. Do you know what kind of parasites you're dealing with? Any chance it could be something else? I sure hope he rallies for you!

I think that I'm going to do the opposite, small first, and then large. Don't know yet. I don't really know what grade I'm in, I'm taking the 3 year program, so I don't know if I'm techniclly in grade 10, or 11, but I tell everyone that I'm in 11th. Good Luck with your future, I know you'll succeed. Bye.

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Sorry about your babies. Good luck with the rest of them, I hope nothing else happens. Good Luck, bye.

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Thank you, I hope we don't lose any more, but if so I will see about getting an autopsy done. Thank you, bye.

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Thank you very much, everyone. I'm going to try as many things as possible and do what I can to keep our animals safe and healthy. Thank you everyone. Bye.

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I used Ivomec and Safeguard for my wethers. The one that was kind of sick for a little bit is doing much better today since he been on V-B for 2 days now.. He gets the Goat Power Punch that is loaded with Vitems of all kinds. Yesterday I gave him 2 cc in a shot of V-B and then a shot this morn alone with the Drench and he doing a lot better. He is able to get up on his own today no more signs of Cocci ither but will keep him on the med for that another 5 days because he already been on it 2 days. I checked his eyelids and today finally showing a little color not much which will take a few days. The others are eatting playing and all. He is finally showing signs of wanting to play now instead of stay away from the others.. This year has been awful for worms and Cocci. I have some baby baby goats an they are on my deck for now until get alot older and bigger.

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