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Can you get some Appetite Express in her? It's supposed to stimulate her being hungry.

As to giving her a shot? My friends that are 4-H Goat Superintendents showed me a great way. Pick up a back foot. So that the leg is completely "folded" like a drumstick and thigh on a chicken. You will see that the 'meat' is now compressed. Give the IM shot directly into that bunch of muscle. Works on skinny kids and all. SubQ you can give under the skin of the back leg too... Good luck with her! She needs to EAT. She is depressed, sounds like (with good reason).

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She ate last night and is wanting back in with the other goats.I hope everyone is wrong about the dog.She won't go near the fence right now.She about lost and ear to the pyr.(an ear for an ear)If she does happen to get through the fence the pyr will kill her.Any one looking for a loving blue heeler??Any one with out goats or cats.

Sorry to hear about your doe Chris. Sorry, but I do have to agree with everyone above, shoot the dog. It is better to save the lives, and body parts, of many goats by the death of one dog, than to let many goats die for the sake of one dog's fun. Good Luck with your doe, and her unborn babies. Good luck, I will be praying for her, and her babies of course. Good Luck. Bye.

Terrific that your doe is eating and wanting to be social. Hopefully, she can make it through this.

The dog we shot was a Catahoula. I have read a number of posts about Catahoulas having to be shot for killing livestock. If I am not mistaken, a Blue Heeler is a similar breed. This is my opinion: If you give this dog away, it will kill other people's stock unless it lives in the city in which case it will kill other people's cats. I know i sound hard, but life has made me that way. Losing goats and other livestock to dogs has made me hard. One solution is to have someone you respect take the dog off and shoot it and swear not to ever tell you the details or mention it again. Another solution is to give the dog to someone respectable and trustworthy who has a bunch of hog dogs (for running down and shooting feral hogs). Many a bad dog has found his calling with a job like that. You say the pyrenees will kill it if it goes after another goat. This tells me that in your mind, you are anticipating another bad scenario but don't want to put down the dog yourself, but rather leave it to the Pyrenees. What if the Pyrenees kills the Blue Heeler AFTER another goat is mutilated or killed? Or a child is bitten? Or what if the Pyrenees loses an eye or is injured himself? Just food for discussin and thought. I don't know your entire situation and am certainly not trying to tell you what to do. I am just no longer patient at all with killer dogs, pets or not.

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Oh, man. One of the killer dogs I had to shoot was a Blue Heeler. They just HAVE to DO STUFF. Preferably with animals. That dog was heavily abused by the owners children (they even told me that years later). I had rescued Addie when I moved to the farm. She killed chickens, etc. etc. She would get this look in her eyes and then no livestock was safe until she was over it. I had vet bills from my other dogs she tore up too. It broke my heart to shoot her. She would even tear off the attack muzzle I would leave on her... I'm so sorry. *shaking head* I'm very sorry. Good luck on your decision. With mine? I had two separate veterinarians tell me to put her down as she wasn't going to stop - I finally gave up and shot her when she killed an entire flock of butcher chickens. Broke my heart to kill her and, 10 years later? I am still heartbroken I couldn't "fix" her....

You MIGHT try putting an electric fence on the OUTSIDE of the fence too... But they are jumper dogs... I'm so sorry.

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Hi Chris!

Reading the thread with interest...lots of advice to choose from. Just a bit of encouragement - we have a llama that survived a similar injury. Looks a little strange with one ear, and massive scarring all over his head, but we don't put mirrors up in the pastures and the other llamas don't seem to make an issue of it. He wasn't with us when it happened, so not quite sure how it was treated...

It's heartbreaking to lose a pet of any sort, cloven, hooved, padded or webbed. We had a pup that went after the neighbors poultry, and had to relocate her to a horse ranch that needed to dispense of wild turkeys. Perfect match. Don't know what the best placement for your pup might be, but if you can't bring yourself to put her down, don't stress your Pyr, put your thinking cap on and see if there is a better placement for her. A junkyard dog? Loved by the master, no other animals in a fenced enclosure...

Your heart will certainly break, but everybody on the farm needs healing now...

In the horse section of the feed store is "Wonder Dust", great for this kind of injury and not at all expensive, and easier to aim than a spray can I think. Good look with the mama goat and yes I agree, shoot the dog.

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One of our goats LOVES to tease the dogs which are penned. It has cost her about 3/4 of an ear. Her ear healed just fine without doing anything but cleaning it up. She still teases the dogs but has learned to not stick her head thru their fence. Crazy Alice as we refer to her is going to find a new home BEFORE they start calling me Crazy Dawn. I have had the best luck with treating any injuries with keeping them clean and if necessary a shot of pennicillin.

I just cannot bring myself to put this dog down.I know I am probably making a mistake but she has been with us longer than the goats.I will if she starts showing interest in them again but right now she will not go near the fence or the goats.The doe has been eating and drinking today.I removed the bandages as they inhibit ther breathing and seem to be painful when I change them.I really don't think she will make it but I am doing everything I can.I can't see how a wound this horrible can help but get infected at some point.I appreciate everyones help and support and know that their advice on the dog comes with experience.

Keep spraying the wound/applying salve to keep it hydrated.

Give the penicillin shot. If you lose her from it, the kids aren't finished enough probably to be ok anyway. If she aborts? You have at least saved her. Check with your doctor/or contact Vicki McGaugh on Goats 911 and see what they recommend.

*hugs* Good Luck. Even though yours isn't? I loved my bezerk dog too...

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I may be wrong, but isn't "blood stop" corn starch?

Nice try. Nope. It's styptic. Like a stypic pencil when you guys cut yourself shaving...

Flour will work sometimes too as a blood stop...

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A Styptic or hemostatic pencil is a short stick of medication, usually containing alum, which is used for staunching blood by causing blood vessels to contract at the site of the wound. Before safety razors were invented it was an essential part of a shaving kit and was used to seal cuts caused by improper shaving, although many people still continue to use safety razors and styptic pencils. Styptic pencils are also useful for stopping the flow of blood when trimming a cat or dog's claws. While effective at stopping blood loss, the sting of the medication as it takes effect has been said to be worse than the pain of the cut itself.

A frequent source of confusion appears to be the difference between styptic and caustic pencils:

The active ingredient in styptic pencils is a coagulant, such as alum. These are commonly used to treat minor cuts, such as from shaving. Their action is to promote the clotting action of blood and hence prevent bleeding.
The active ingredient in caustic pencils is silver nitrate. These are used for chemical cauterization, for instance as a treatment for nosebleeds or to remove warts. They would not be used as a treatment for minor cuts.

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We had two male (fixed) blue heelers(aka Aust. Cattledog)but shortly after getting the first goats it became apparent that they were going to be way too aggressive around the goats.
One now has a home with a friend that runs steers on 60 acres (found his true calling) and the other more laid back one is now a "city" dog with only squirrels to chase in the backyard. It was a tough decision but the dogs and goats were just a bad combination. We now have a Aussie that is just great with the goats, but he does not have access to them unless we are out with him (just in case).
Good luck with whatever you decide.

Just hope for the best and try to help her get through it, there are lots of great people here who have lots of advice. And I agree with Gailann, go to Ciki, she is one of the most helpful and knowledgable people here. Good Luck. I will be praying for your girl, and her unborn babies. Good Luck, bye.

Do you know the exact breeding date of your doe? If her due date is based on that, at 150 days, then the kids may be okay at 145 days. When would that be? Normal gestation for goats is 145-155 days. You probably know this, I was just thinking that is your doe is going downhill and you are going to try to save the babies, perhaps fullterm is not as far away as you think. If you do end up performing a C-section, I would suggest not letting the doe get completely septic or severely dehydrated prior to putting her down. if you do put her down for a c-section, you only have a very few minutes to get the babies out. Remember, the rumen is on the left side, so don't start cutting into that. I am an RN who used to assist with human C-sections. It has to be rapid. The babies will need a bit more stimulation than you might think. If you do go for it, be bold and know that without your intervention the babies would die anyway so you can do no harm. Humans have gorey C-sections all the time, put it in perspective and just go for it if you have to. However, your doe may surprise you and make it. You are the only one who sees her, we can't. You will have to go by your gut instinct and not look back, no matter what route you choose. You are a caring person or you would not have done as much as you already have for this injured goat.

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If you can get to the feed store, look for that "Wonder Dust" stuff. I have never used it, but have also heard that it is good to coat wounds with.
As far as the dog is concerned. You will never be able to let your guard down with that dog, and neither will your pyr. By keeping it you are simply waiting until another disaster.
Also, it's not fair to leave the problem of the vicious dog to your pyr to handle. What kind of logic is that? On top of that, I certainly would not go and dump your trouble on some one else to deal with as "chamoisee" had posted in regards to her family's dogs. I'm sorry, but actions like that are truely irresponsible, cowardly, and just plain ignorant. Don't dump your killer dogs where they will continue to harass and kill other people's livestock. How would you feel if the tables were turned and some idiot dumped a bunch of psycho mutts on your farm? That sort of behavior shouldn't have even been considered an option. Shamefull.

At the risk of stirring it up with a big spoon, I've had dogs that have killed chickens (not the one I shot) that I could tell it was a mistake/slip. I worked with them to get it stopped. However, I've also had dogs that I've found other homes for because of their poultry killing tastes.

You might try to discover, if you want to keep the dog, what triggered the behavior (are you not paying enough attention to the dog? Are you making over the Pyr and goats and not him? Have you introduced the dog to the goats and made it known that the goats are your 'cubs'/under your protection as Alpha?)

I own a dog right now that likes to chase poultry and if she's loose and I'm not paying attention and she catches them? Kills them with her retrieving efforts. Mostly shock kills them - she doesn't maul them. And the dog slinks around for DAYS afterward. She knows. And I had another dog that would catch a chicken, hold it down and pull off feathers until it died, and then go and get another one. A plaything/squeeky toy. Dogs are prey animals. Chickens, goats, etc. are prey. My Retriever/Boxer dog? Kills rats, mice, moles, voles, etc. And snakes if I can't get to them first to protect them. For myself, I think it's a tradeoff. But if she pulls down a goat and I can't call her off? She goes.

She ignores the goats, except she 'cleans the baby' when I bottle feed weak kids. Front, back, and under is where she cleans Everything gets licked clean. *shudder* Good dog and stimulates the baby.

Good luck. Contact Vicki McGaugh or Goats 911

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The dog has never bothered the goats before.She even greets them and licks there noses.The attack was stimulated by instinct. The goat stuck her head through the fence .She was stuck and started to panic and cry out.The damage was severe but it was only a couple of nips in very sensitive places.By the time I got there the dogs were run off by the pyr.They did not go in for a kill or she would be dead.I have seen them work in unison to kill rabbits(wild) and ground hogs.When they mean to kill they don't give up regardless.They so far are not killer dogs as people seem to think from one instance.I would hate to be judged so harshly for one bad act.I am not stressing the pyr by letting her deal with it.It is my responsability to make sure the fence is tight so the pyr. Does not have to deal with the dogs.We don't have other livestock near so my dogs will not bother someone else. I take my responsibility to these animals seriously and treat them as my own family.According to my husband better than my own family.On a nicer note the doe is doing better .No fever so far she is eating and drinking.The due date is the end of the month so I doubt I could save the kids this early.Although we will try if it comes down to it.Thanks to everyone for their input.I read it all and appreciate all even if I don't agree

Is it dry in your area? At least if things aren't muddy, then maybe she won't get infected before the wound dries out; keep it sprayed with wound-kote or some sulfur spray; it may hurt but it could help...good luck!!!

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