No Such Thing as CL-Free?

my two cents, it wouldnt be as big of concern to me if it was secluded to just animals but when its something without a cure and can be transmitted via open sores to humans, you darn skimpy I am going to do all I can to keep it from invading my herd. No, I will not risk my own health or my children's health in effort to manage CL. My herd is tested right after kidding season every year. I do wish there was a certain way it could be 100% but its all we have.
Google CL and humans and tell me you really want to manage that.

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De @ Udderly Southern Dairy Goats
we will be adding a new breed in the spring

What I'm seeing is that the commercial herds are not managing it they are ignoring it. My goats are all from clean herds. If someday someone got an abcess and it came back positive for CL they would be euthanized on the spot and their body burned. Favorite goat or not. It is my responsibility to the goats, my family, my neighbors, and fellow goat owners to do the right thing. I could not sleep at night if I sold a goat to someone that had some kind of disease. Of everyone who is saying they manage it, please explained to me how you are managing it? I would really like to know. What is your definition of management?

Years ago I was fostering 3 mother dogs with a total of 21 puppies. One puppy "Annie" came down with parvovirus. My vet said "euthanize them all now because 70% of them are going to get it and die anyway." he told us the puppies were too young to vaccinate because they were 5 weeks old. Well I made the decision to try. I vaccinated every puppy and dog on my property that day and revaccinated a week later. When I took Annie out to the bathroom my friend bleached all the floors and all the walls and Annie's crate. I also picked up and burned all the feces and bleached the ground were she defecated immediately. I also gave Annie a plasma transfusion as well as kept her on IV meds. My friend and I took shifts sleeping so someone would always be awake to care for her. Our shoes got bleached every time we went in our out of our house. No one else ever came down with Parvo and Annie lived to be 12 years old. My vet was amazed and said he never in his wildest dreams thought I could control that virus with so many puppies in the house.

The moral to this story is that is how you manage disease responsibly. You handle it like the Haz Mat team. It is irresponsible not to. There is more to life then money. If you are going to raise these animals then it is your responsibility to do what's right for them even if it costs you. However if people bought from clean herds to begin with and practiced bio security they wouldn't have to worry so much. You all are right though it will never be eradicated because people are too lazy and too cheap to do the right thing.

My friends bought their goats at the auction even though I warned heavily against it. They asked me to come over to help with fencing and hoof trimming. I said "no". Why would I knowingly expose myself and my animals on purpose? One of their does died a week after being bred for unknown reasons. No symptoms what so ever. Their other 2 does didn't have enough milk for their own kids. They don't test and they don't practice prevention. That is not good management. These are people who will learn everything the hard way.

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One of the big questions I have is whether deer and goats can infect each other. I'm pretty sure that goat CL can not infect horses as I think Davis has tired repeatedly to do it and it never caused an infection in a horse.
But deer and goats are pretty closely related.
I've searched the internet and can't find anything about CL infections being shared- only Johnes.
Anyone have an authoritative reference?

If goats can only get it from other goats then that would help out my worries a lot! I'll try to see if I can find out about that too...I was "told" that they can get it from deer and sheep...but not reliable enough source.
Great question!

ETA: I just emailed WADDL and asked them

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There are different biotypes that infect animals. Goats/sheep get nitrate negative. Horses get nitrate positive. Cows get a mix of both, and cultures are heterogeneous for both biotypes. Goats cannot get CL from horses, or vice versa. Sheep can and often infect goats (and vice versa) with CL. Cows can be a source of infection.

http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/circ...denitis&alt=sh

There is NOT enough information out there to discuss what biotypes rabbits, fowl, deer, and other animals get - it is simply so uncommon that it's not worth it to do studies and spend money on it. Horses, cows, sheep, and goats have known biotypes that they seem to exclusively get or do not get. I've tried looking in the past to see what kind deer get, and couldn't find info then. I'm just the kinda person that gives it another try on a fairly regular basis though.

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

Here is the email reply I got from Jeffers....

"Dear Michele, We have sold a lot of the new CL Vaccine for Goats over the past 3 months or so.

So far I have only heard of one reaction and that was some infection site swelling.

Here is the Manufacturers number. They will be happy to answer any technical questions you may have.

Texas Vet. Labs: 800 284 8403.

Thanks,"


I think she meant injection site swelling. I guess they are not going to give out actual sales figures.

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