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Not wanting to argue or anything but I have raised many kids on whole, fresh, raw Jersey milk and they did great. Some I switched straight over from goats milk, and others I started out from birth on cow milk and colostrum. Others I have switched back and forth with whatever I had and it never fazed them, not a bit. Here are some pictures of raw cows milk-raised kids. Living proof that it works....







All those were raised on raw whole Jersey milk. I personally wouldn't feed mine store-bought milk if I could *possibly* find anything else.......

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I don't think that our stores carry goats milk, i will have to check. Thank you all for the replies, I have to go now, by.

I have to agree with Ozark (nice goats by the way!). I've only bottle fed one girl and it was with Advance brand kid replacer, but the man I got my lamancha doelings from is a large commercial goat (lamancha) dairy, but he also helps his dad milk holsteins in a different barn on the same farm, and uses all whole cow milk. His kids are growthy and real nice looking. and he doesn't push with grain and they get 2nd crop grass hay.

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Probably not, even if it did, the price would most likely be prohibitive for raising a kid. If you don't have a local source of fresh cows or goats milk(neighbor, friend, etc that might have a milk goat or cow), then your best bet is brobably a good replacer as others have said. Just make sure its a milk based replacer and not a soy based one. Soy-based replacers can cause a lot of problems.......Good luck!!

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Goat Freak, I am so sorry about your doe. That is so hard, especially with a little one to raise now!
I put my babies on raw cow's milk and it was very rich for them. They might have gotten used to it but the only farm I trusted for cleanliness was an organic one and the milk was $4.00 a gallon. The cheapest I could get whole cow's milk for at a grocery was 2.79 a gallon.
It turns out the lamb and kid milk replacer is actually cheaper per gallon and with 10 babies that influenced my choice a bit. So that's what we are using.
I don't think the whole cow's milk from the store is the best thing, it is kinda like white water, but if you can't get anything else it will do. As long as your baby has had his colostrum for the first few days he will be alright. When they get older the colostrum is too rich and it can cause them to scour.
Blessings, Jillis

Ozark,
Very nice looking goats.I just love the pic of the chicken and goat(how cute).
But I was just repeating what our "local goat expert vet" has told us.We raised a bunch of dairy goat babies for a friend and the friend wanted us to switch the kids over to cow milk replacer(which we did cause they were his goats and he was paying for it)And we started to loose the babies,I ended up calling the vet and paying for the visit and the vet told us that to never use cows milk or replacer for goats.But you prove that vet wrong,cuz your goats look awesome.I do think that you can cause stomache upset from switching milk so drastically.

We have a couple big dairy goat operations here ,so it is pretty easy to buy some goat milk when needed.

With my pygmies I just let the does take care of them unless I have to step in.

whole milk alone is not enough fat for the kid, nor the raw nutrients.
If you can't get purina or another kind, you can make a homemade one that works great. 1gal whole milk. 1can evaporated milk, 1 cup buttermilk. (not the lowfat kind).
Pour off 4 cups of whole milk. Add butter milk, evaporated milk (the whole can). Add back as much whole milk as will fit, shake, pour in bottle and serve warm...
I have a feeding schedule somewhere. We get ours down to am's and pm's and they do fine.

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The cow milk replacer was the problem there. Milk replacer, in and of itself, is not something we are big on, but we do raiseour replacement heifers on it right now as preventative but they rarely se it before they are ten days old.
We've raised goats solely on raw Jersey milk as well (raised triplets starting out with thawed raw cow's colostrum). We supplemented two triplets this year (the third refused the bottle) and they were much larger than the third one.

Any drastic change is gonna be hard on the gut.

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I am speaking of whole milk bought at the store....raw would be much different I think.

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We posted at the same time. I was responding to the individual who lost a bunch of kids after putting them on milk replacer for calves.

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Thank you all for the advice, right now he is getting whole cow milk from the store, but we might change that tommorow. So which would be better, milk replacer or the recipe that buckshotboers suggested. Oh yeah, by the way, he is NOT a boer goat, my mom figured that you guys might think that he was because under my name it says owner of boer goats, but he is NOT a boer goat, he is a small SMALL mutt goat, by small SMALL I mean that he is smaller than what our mutts usually throw, then again his dad is smaller as well. Once again thank you guys for all the help, bye.

Zeke's scours are NOT getting any better, what do i do to get rid of them? He seems to be allright other than that he has diareaha still. By the way, does anyone know how much milk a REALLY little buckling should have, by little he is only a little bigger than our 4 month old kitten. Thank you guys so much, you are SO helpful. Bye.

He might be scoured because of the whole milk from the store. Just do the recipe or get the purina....you wont' fix anything you asked about if you don't change what you are doing and not follow suggestions. These work or we wouldn't tell you. The scours will straighten right up if it is milk related. Good luck and keep us posted.

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I agree.I would also give him re-sorb to rehydrate him.With him having the runs he is more then likley dehydrated.I would stop the milk and feed the re absorb until he is having firm stool again.As far as how much milk he should be eating at least a couple oz at each feeding.How many times a day are you feeding him?

look in the canned milk section of your grocery store. we have two goats and are also new to raising them, no problems yet, so I don't really know what caused the seizures, years ago, I used to raise (this is not going to be spelled right) chiuhhuas, Contesa dies a week after giving birth, she was fine one minute and falling down and having seizures the next, the vet said she had a stroke.

He doesn't have the runs from the milk, he had the runs when he was on his mama too, right now it is basiclly the same except SOMEONE is wiping his butt for him. My mom is going to get some buttermilk from my grandma today, and we are going to make the mixture. Thank you all for your help, the only reason that we are still giving him whole milk is because that was all that anyone was teling us at the time that my dad went to the store. By the way Melisa, she was 7-8 years old and had troubles kidding last year, this year the baby was so small that he came out fine, so I quess that it probly was a stroke. Thank you all for your help. Bye.

I prefer to feed the babies goat milk. Sometimes if a store doesn't have fresh goat's milk, they will have canned or powdered Meyenburg goat milk, or try a health food store. Are there any dairy goat farmers nearby who may be willing to sell you some goat milk? If you do buy raw goat milk from another farmer, be sure to pasteurize to before feeding the baby to prevent CAE. You pasteurize by heating the milk to 165F. I'm wondering if the doe wasn't eiter poisoned of had milk fever. Sorry that you lost her.

What is milk fever, and would it cause her bag to suddenly dry up in just 30 minutes-and hour, what are some other symptoms? Is it contagious? Our store DOESN'T sell goats milk, and i don't think that we have a health store around us. We are in Florida so virtually no one has fresh goat milk for sale. Thank you for the advice though. bye.

I now have another thread, due to length of the other ones. The new thread is called "ANOTHER problem!". Just wanted to tell ya'll. Bye.

Vicki McGaugh, a VERY experienced goat owner who has been giving huge amounts of advice on this board and others for years, isn't on this thread yet, so I'll chime in for her. She says the very best thing, next to goat milk is whole cow milk from the store. (I'm guessing raw would be better, but she's talking about things people can buy in most any situation.) She raises orphans on it all the time, and tells others to do so as well. She also cautions against milk replacer of any kind. Kids just don't seem to do well on it. So there's Vicki's two cents, via me.

The worms thing bugs me as well. It's very strange to hear of a kid that young with a heavy worm load. How is your worming program? Could it be that your doe died from worms? It takes about a week, if they're not wormed the day of kidding, for the worm load to hit a critical point, particularly if there's any possibility of a copper deficiency. I almost lost a doe from it, a week after she kidded. Had a friend who lost one, and she said the goat did not go easy. The doe was screaming and kicking for quite a while before she died. She was at the vet's office, by the way, and they were trying to save her, but it didn't work. Finally, they gave her a shot and she left. I'm not sure just how you would worm a kid.

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