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Goat Freak 10/22/05 05:35 PM

Oh my gosh, thank you so much lord for letting me have fairly normal goats! The waiting for your goat to have her babies is driving me insane, and I do not know either you or your goat! I can not imagine how I would feel, with all the signs being right there and all. The longest we had to wait, when she had goo, was two weeks. well keep us updated, and if she has them, you HAVE to post pictures as soon as you can. Well See Ya, Bye.

Goat Freak 10/23/05 01:07 PM

Hey has anything happened yet? I REALLY need to hear something before I go nuts! I can not wait to hear that your goat has finally had her baby, or babies. See ya bye.

tinetine'sgoat 10/23/05 02:52 PM

Hubby says the same about the c-section
 
Hubby (most patient man on Earth!!) thinks I should wait it out. She isn't hollering like she is in pain, she's grumpy, but I was too at the end of my pregnancy. We were discussing it and we decided that we HAVE to have the date wrote down wrong that we brought her home. I am going to go check on her again in a little while, she was waddling around this morning. It's humerous, the neighbors have even called and said we were wondering if your goat ever had her babies. Everyone wants to see them. ESPECIALLY ME!!! :bash:

Goat Freak 10/23/05 07:33 PM

I am SO sorry that your goat is being stubborn and selfish by not allowing you to see her babies, or at LEAST telling you WHEN she is going to have them, so that you can stop worrying. Sure hope that she has them soon, see you bye.

JayinCT 10/24/05 11:30 AM

I know it's not easy. The only thing I want to bring up is, make sure your giving her some space. She isn't going to feel comfortable giving birth knowing someone has been fussing with her every hour. You need to give her some space and privacy. Let her feel secure with where she is. Give her a thourough exam once a day, but after that, try to resist the temptation and just peek in at her to see how she's doing. It's even better if she doesn't even know you're there. Check her often as you would like, but keep the actual interaction with her down to a minimum. I bet she is in a bad mood and angry because she is tired of having someone fussing with her so much.

Jay

Goat Freak 10/24/05 03:59 PM

Has ANYTHINg happend yet? Sorry, but to be on the safe side I have to ask that question at LEAST once a day, unless you tell us that she has finally had them, then I will find something new to ask about. Well just watned to check in, see ya, bye.

Croenan 10/24/05 10:06 PM

I just couldn't keep away from my over due goat, so I know how you feel about not being able to keep away. Space is definately good, but when you do have to check on her it might be good to bring her treats when you do, then she'll want to see you. Fair warning though, you might end up with a permenant sidekick, I did! Mine HAS to do with me now everytime I go to feed the rest of the herd. She asks to be let out and follows me to the food and then goes right back in when its food time. It's quite humerous.

tinetine'sgoat 10/25/05 09:11 AM

Elmers Glue!!!
 
:sing: :sing: She's leaking Elmers Glue~!!! :goodjob: :goodjob: She is oozing again, this time it is pure white, and really does look like Elmers glue. She is wanting her head and neck scratched this morning, but not her belly. I am cautiously optimistic :rolleyes: This may be another ploy of hers. :nono: I hope not, my hubby asked last night if I wanted to go outside with him to feed the animals and I told him I was mad at my goat so I'd just stay inside. :flame: He went out and told her I was mad, so maybe she is trying to make up with me. :)

TheWetnights 10/25/05 10:00 AM

Oh my! I am new here, but I've been reading this thread all morning knowing that when I got to the last page I'd get to hear all about the new babies! I can't believe they arent here yet! I can't wait for another update! :o

livestockmom 10/25/05 10:46 AM

Still no babies?

Well, it's been 4 weeks since she showed her first labor signs when you thought she was a week overdue.... are you sure she is pregnant?
the white discharge every 14-17 days days could be her heat cycle....and would explain why she wants to be scratched at these times....
just a thought.... I hope you get the much anticipated babies though!

susanne 10/25/05 10:57 AM

that is my guess too. not pregnant at all.
what a thread :nono:

tinetine'sgoat 10/25/05 11:05 AM

I might be inclined to say that too, if it weren't for the confirmation from the vet that she is pregnant. I will continue to wait, and see what happens. Sometimes when you purchase a goat and you have been given a window as to when she was with the buck you are left up in the air. I wish I had more definite answers, but I don't. I am hoping for them soon, for my own sanity at least. I do appologize for this taking so long, I feel bad for all of you waiting with me. It can't be forever though, (That's what I tell myself every morning.) :(

homebirtha 10/25/05 11:21 AM

That's an interesting point. I hope, if there are babies, they arrive soon. OMG, can you imagine? A c-section and no babies inside? shudder.

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Originally Posted by livestockmom
Still no babies?

Well, it's been 4 weeks since she showed her first labor signs when you thought she was a week overdue.... are you sure she is pregnant?
the white discharge every 14-17 days days could be her heat cycle....and would explain why she wants to be scratched at these times....
just a thought.... I hope you get the much anticipated babies though!


goatladie 10/25/05 11:32 AM

Amen to that Tinetine'sGoat! I know what you mean! My parents got a bred horse from a fellow and he let them know that it could be anywhere form Feb - April, according to when she was with the stallion. They waited and waited and waited - we even slept out in the barn for almost a month! She had the foal on Fathers Day, in JUNE!!!! I know your pain - hang in there!
When you are going by what someone says was the case (as to when something was bred) you get just that, their educated guess, plus a little memory loss know that it is how much later....

Jillis 10/25/05 11:58 AM

Have you ever heard of a "water pregnancy" in goats, it exactly miminc a real pregnancy until they go into "labor" and heave out a huge gush of water, and then they go into heat again. Has the vet done an ultrasound? Has he (or she) listened for fetal heartbeats? Have you seen movement in her belly---kicking, rolling of baby bodies?
It seems to be in the best interest of the goat at this time to check these things out!
Now that I've said all that, your next post will probably be a joyous celebration of a wonderful, easy, multiple birth! (I truly hope so, I am waiting as anxiously as all the others who have been reading this thread! C'mon, mam goat!) After all, there are post-mature deliveries in humans, why not goats?
Blessings, Jillis

tinetine'sgoat 10/25/05 01:01 PM

OK heres what I've got goin'
 
I am going to the vet's this afternoon for 1cc of Lutese, (spelled wrong). I am not sure if I will need it or not, he suggested trying to get a couple of fingers in her to feel if the babies are right there or not. He says it wont affect her milk, and will take about 24 hours to work. I am scared to do this, but I'm wondering if there is any other choice. He warned me about possible complications with using it and I need your opinions. :eek: :help: :help:

GoldenWood Farm 10/25/05 01:12 PM

I would be worried to use lute in case she really is due later. But I was reading on pygmy pregnencies that pygmy babys sometimes can get to large for momma to have.

I sure hope she has them babys soon for both your sakeshttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...adgrl/thud.gif!

MotherClucker

moosemaniac 10/25/05 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinetine'sgoat
I am going to the vet's this afternoon for 1cc of Lutese, (spelled wrong). I am not sure if I will need it or not, he suggested trying to get a couple of fingers in her to feel if the babies are right there or not. He says it wont affect her milk, and will take about 24 hours to work. I am scared to do this, but I'm wondering if there is any other choice. He warned me about possible complications with using it and I need your opinions. :eek: :help: :help:

I've used Lute without any problems. I'd use some calcium too to make sure she's dilating properly.
Ruth

debitaber 10/25/05 01:34 PM

I think i would take her t othe vet, and have him check her, and see, just waht is going on, before I give her meds.

livestockmom 10/25/05 01:34 PM

Gosh, I would be afraid to Lute her in case her breeding dates are off and these little ones would be preterm. Can you take her in and have him do an exam and possibly an ultrasound?

livestockmom 10/25/05 01:36 PM

Sorry Debi, you and I were posting at the same time...

Does she do any teeth grinding? (pain)

Goat Freak 10/25/05 01:44 PM

I don't know, I have never seen a premature baby born, but we did have agoat born that got stuck in her mothers cervix, the baby died and we almost lost the mother. I will tell you this now, even though it has only happend to me once, seeing a baby goat born dead is horrible, when the first part comes out you hope that it is alive, and then you know it won't ever be. I would do the ultrasound, just in case. well can't wait to hear that that stubborn goat of yours has FINALLY had those babies. Well see ya, bye.

tinetine'sgoat 10/25/05 01:53 PM

Would doing a cervical exam induce labor
 
If I check her cervix is it possible that would start labor? This would sound weird, but what color is a pregnant goat cervix? I know womens turns purpleish, does theres? How can one little goat do so much damage to ones sanity? :shrug:

moosemaniac 10/25/05 01:55 PM

Milking her out a little would probably start labor.

Ruth

chma4 10/25/05 02:04 PM

Milking and cervical stimulation all help induce labor in dogs maybe too with goats. Your vet will know when he examines her what to do. Just be sure to exhaust all other options before inducing. If she is not in distress, and the babies are moving, she could still be ok. Do you have a receipt for her that maybe says when you got her? Maybe then you could narrow down your dates.

debitaber 10/25/05 02:19 PM

I bought a goat , alst spring, and they said she was bred , well, she wasn't . but I knew, because she was never getting big, like a preggers does. but I wuld try to check her, and no it won't hurt her, just don't go in to far, just a little, and you could milk her a little, but you realy don't want to waste the colstrum. I would have the vet, do an ultra sound on her. and have him check her, for heart beats, an ultra sound is best.

Goat Freak 10/25/05 03:49 PM

Yeah, you can induce a goat by milking them. But as debitaber said, it would probly be best if you had an ultrasound done on her. Well good luck, and good bye for now.

susanne 10/25/05 03:49 PM

if it would be my goat i would call the previous owner and ask when the last day was she was in with a buck. or look at the papers and find out when she came to my place. i would make this the last possible breeding date and count forward. also if that are really kids you think you see there, it would be much better feeling them. those tiny little hoofs are distinctive from rumen movement.
to lute her could turn out to be fatal for the unborn kid if the due date is wrong. going inside would be not a so good advise to me either because risk of infection.
i guess if you take this doe to the vet and knows a little bit about goats he should be able to hear fetus heart beat. which of course doesn't give you the due date.
how old is this doe any way and did she had kids before? how does her udder look like? i would not try to milk her because i don't want her to get mastitis either.
have you ever milked a doe?

tinetine'sgoat 10/25/05 04:22 PM

The vet that I am getting the Lutese from takes care of a few hundred milk and meat goats at Heartland Farms. The babies have been felt and are quite active. The vet has felt the babies turning also. The latest date that Hubby and I could figure out that we would have brought her home, since we are thinking now that we must have wrote the date down wrong would be the 14th of May. We were on a family vacation the week after that and had a neighbor come over and care for the animals and I know for a fact that she took care of Miracle that week because she had her horn injured when we got her and our neighbor had special instructions on what to do if it started bleeding out again. I've milked many a goat, just never had any kid here. So if I go from the 14th she is still past due. She is not papered so there isn't a bill of sale to look at she was a 4-H project and we bought her for 50 $. She has kidded before, but the babies died. I have always wanted a pygmy goat and we wanted the kids to be able to deal with her, since our littlest is terrified of the bigger Nubies and La Manchas that we milk. They are taller than her, I'd be scared too. :eek: My oldest daughter ended up getting sent home sick from school today so it will be tomorrow morning before I can go pick the Lutese up. Thanks everyone for you advice, it is hard to know if you are making a right decision or not. :)

redcedarfarm 10/25/05 06:18 PM

I know some of you may disagree with me :o but, I would definately give the Lutalyse, ASAP. I had a goat do the very same thing this spring. She could NOT deliver the kid and we lost them both. This was a pygmy doe and I didn't think she would ever deliver and she didn't. She died trying to have it. This goat is evidentally past due if only a week and that could be tragic in a pygmy, as was the case for us.
I will tell you after that and many other horrific pygmy births we no longer have them and have went with Nigerian Dwarfs. They are better built to deliver,imo, and are as gentle as can be. Plus they are wonderful milkers. :clap:
I would be more then happy to talk with you if you would like to email me at redcedargoatfarm@aol.com I will give you my # and you can call me or I can call you if you would like.
I hope this helps,
Dawn

susanne 10/25/05 06:44 PM

if she is really pregnant and way over due, imagine what can happen if you induce labor all by your self? the kids will be too big to come out by them self. take her to the vet and let him make a c-section tomorrow.
susanne

debitaber 10/25/05 07:52 PM

I agree, a c section is in order. He will do an ultra sound on her first, and that will tell him volumes, then go from there, if she is this far over due, and you induce, she will probably die, and babies also, cause the babies will be to big for her to have.
I agree,take her with you to the vet.

redcedarfarm 10/25/05 07:58 PM

Well, I should have been more clear. Make sure your vet knows what you are doing and have him on call. I fiugred that was a given. Sorry.

moosemaniac 10/26/05 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redcedarfarm
I know some of you may disagree with me :o but, I would definately give the Lutalyse, ASAP.

I do agree with you Dawn for the same reason.
Ruth

Goat Freak 10/26/05 09:31 AM

Hey tintine, has anything happend yet? I am praying that that goat of yours has her babies soon, that way EVERYBODY can get some peace of mind, I can not believe that ONE GOAT could make an ENTIRE forum wait anxiously for over a MONTH waiting for her to have them, I can't iamgine how hard it is for you, actually being able to see how fat and ready to go she is. Well I will be praying that she has them REALLY soon, I CAN'T WAIT to hear that she has had them. Well gotta go, see ya, bye.

heinola honey 10/26/05 09:52 PM

I really hope everything goes ok for your little pygmy!!!! My Saanen doe just had tripletts today...2 girls and one boy!!!! :happy: YOOHOO!!!!!


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